pray tellNortaneous wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 12:56 ami have bad news for you about the united states of america
Innovative Usage Thread
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the past participle of "get" is already "gotten" (and many nonstandard varieties replace the simple past of common strong verbs with the past participle)
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
both are true of auseng tooNortaneous wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 3:34 amthe past participle of "get" is already "gotten" (and many nonstandard varieties replace the simple past of common strong verbs with the past participle)Darren wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 1:05 ampray tellNortaneous wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 12:56 am
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In my idiolect for certain verbs I have a strong tendency to use the preterite plus -en to form new past participles which contrast with the StdE ones in subtle ways (e.g. "I've eaten my sandwich" is distinct from "I've aten my sandwich"; the latter intuitively feels more like a pluperfect to me).
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka ha wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate ha eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate ha eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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IMD "got" and "gotten" have slightly different meanings: "got" merely implies possesion, "gotten" emphasizes acquisition. E.g.
"I've got the money" = I have it, it's available
"I've gotten the money" = I've acquired it, recently enough that it's news
"I've got the money" = I have it, it's available
"I've gotten the money" = I've acquired it, recently enough that it's news
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This is true for me as well.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka ha wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate ha eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate ha eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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"Have got" functions for me as a present-tense construction with perfective Aktionsart. And it's deponent; no other forms like *"had got" or *"to have got" or *"could have got" exist with that meaning.
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Interesting. Is substandard 'got' as an uninflected present similarly defective? For me, a Briton, the infinitive in this meaning.the first, a synonym of 'to have', doesn't feel natural, but the rest of the semantically present and formally perfect forms seem to exist.
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I think in AusEng present "got" is fairly rare and when it occurs it behaves exactly the same as "have got".Richard W wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 8:08 pm Interesting. Is substandard 'got' as an uninflected present similarly defective? For me, a Briton, the infinitive in this meaning.the first, a synonym of 'to have', doesn't feel natural, but the rest of the semantically present and formally perfect forms seem to exist.
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What happens with the sequence of tenses, as in standard 'I said I'd got time to spare'? Does that get replaced by 'I said I had time to spare'?Darren wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 8:23 pmI think in AusEng present "got" is fairly rare and when it occurs it behaves exactly the same as "have got".Richard W wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 8:08 pm Interesting. Is substandard 'got' as an uninflected present similarly defective? For me, a Briton, the infinitive in this meaning.the first, a synonym of 'to have', doesn't feel natural, but the rest of the semantically present and formally perfect forms seem to exist.
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Yeah, the former sounds at best very weird (although parseable). The second is what I'd usually use.Richard W wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 8:31 pmWhat happens with the sequence of tenses, as in standard 'I said I'd got time to spare'? Does that get replaced by 'I said I had time to spare'?Darren wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 8:23 pmI think in AusEng present "got" is fairly rare and when it occurs it behaves exactly the same as "have got".Richard W wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 8:08 pm Interesting. Is substandard 'got' as an uninflected present similarly defective? For me, a Briton, the infinitive in this meaning.the first, a synonym of 'to have', doesn't feel natural, but the rest of the semantically present and formally perfect forms seem to exist.
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I am in agreement here. I would not call the former StE in the first place.Darren wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 8:45 pmYeah, the former sounds at best very weird (although parseable). The second is what I'd usually use.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka ha wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate ha eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate ha eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Yet googling does find plenty of attestations-
"Remember I said I'd got Yellow Rattle seedlings coming up?"
"I said I'd got three brothers-in-law, right?"
"And I said I'd got a sense of what was right"
Still doesn't sound right to me though.