Fun with sesquisyllables

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Ketsuban
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Fun with sesquisyllables

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Elsewhere on the internet I found myself needing an example of an English two-syllable word where the two syllables are meaningless independently, and considered rhythm before deciding that rhythmic was clearer. After clicking "post" I realised I'd created a contradiction: I'd syllabified the former as rhy-thm (which implies the latter is rhy-thmic) but the latter as rhyth-mic (implying rhyth-m). Which of these is correct? Is ambiguity like this found in other languages with reduced syllables?
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rhyth-mic /ˈrɪð.mɪk/ is correct but mic is not meaningless...
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Ketsuban wrote: ↑Fri Oct 10, 2025 7:48 am Elsewhere on the internet I found myself needing an example of an English two-syllable word where the two syllables are meaningless independently, and considered rhythm before deciding that rhythmic was clearer. After clicking "post" I realised I'd created a contradiction: I'd syllabified the former as rhy-thm (which implies the latter is rhy-thmic) but the latter as rhyth-mic (implying rhyth-m). Which of these is correct? Is ambiguity like this found in other languages with reduced syllables?
I would syllabify them like you did. English syllabification is weird
LZ – Lēri Ziwi
PS – Proto Sāzlakuic (ancestor of LZ)
PRk – Proto Rākēwuic
XI – Xú Iạlan
VN – verbal noun
SUP – supine
DIRECT – verbal directional
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Lērisama wrote: ↑Fri Oct 10, 2025 9:58 am
Ketsuban wrote: ↑Fri Oct 10, 2025 7:48 am Elsewhere on the internet I found myself needing an example of an English two-syllable word where the two syllables are meaningless independently, and considered rhythm before deciding that rhythmic was clearer. After clicking "post" I realised I'd created a contradiction: I'd syllabified the former as rhy-thm (which implies the latter is rhy-thmic) but the latter as rhyth-mic (implying rhyth-m). Which of these is correct? Is ambiguity like this found in other languages with reduced syllables?
I would syllabify them like you did. English syllabification is weird
As would I.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Ketsuban wrote: ↑Fri Oct 10, 2025 7:48 am Elsewhere on the internet I found myself needing an example of an English two-syllable word where the two syllables are meaningless independently, and considered rhythm before deciding that rhythmic was clearer. After clicking "post" I realised I'd created a contradiction: I'd syllabified the former as rhy-thm (which implies the latter is rhy-thmic) but the latter as rhyth-mic (implying rhyth-m). Which of these is correct? Is ambiguity like this found in other languages with reduced syllables?
Yes. Compare Greek ănḗr 'man' (nom. s.) with ăndrós (gen. s.) or Russian Oleg and Olga. And cross-linguistically, it is very common with VC suffixes, as with English meet and meeting, with the final consonant becoming the initial consonant of the suffixed form.
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I think in English trochees there's no meaningful way to syllabify the intervocalic consonant, it's just ambisyllabic. If you're gonna speak it out in syllables, then it'll attach to the preceding vowel if it's lax and to the following if tense (in monomorphemic forms at least)
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