The Index Diachronica
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One more interesting reference I saw a few years ago was a talk Tresoldi (2020) referring to "the case of the Index Diachronica" without much further comment.
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What I find more interesting is that it mentions SCA² too! And then goes on to present their own sound change applier. It’s interesting to see a sound change applier written by a real linguist — I’ll have to look into it to see if there’s anything I can use in my own one.Tropylium wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:56 am One more interesting reference I saw a few years ago was a talk Tresoldi (2020) referring to "the case of the Index Diachronica" without much further comment.
EDIT: Looks like this person is also involved in CLTS, which makes sense.
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A little puzzled reading this; I remember a couple academic linguists pottering around with automated sound-change engines back in the late 80s and early 90s. I guess that just died out without memory or issue? That's kind of sad.
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OK. I know bradrn needs credentials. Who else while I’m at it?
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I do believe I saw one of those once. It was a rather strange GUI program with the most unintuitive interface I’ve ever seen. If they were all like that, I’m not surprised they died out.
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Biting my tongue pretty hard, man.
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Thinking about this again… did you ever get a response from them?Man in Space wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:30 pm Come to think of it…let me e-mail the authors and ask them what they would like to see out of it.
EDIT: Just did.
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I did not. I should follow up with Dr. Haag at least.bradrn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:34 pmThinking about this again… did you ever get a response from them?Man in Space wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:30 pm Come to think of it…let me e-mail the authors and ask them what they would like to see out of it.
EDIT: Just did.
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If it helps at all, I know that academics often don’t mind if you re-send an email they might not have seen. (They’re busy, and stuff gets lost in the inbox.)Man in Space wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 11:11 pmI did not. I should follow up with Dr. Haag at least.bradrn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:34 pmThinking about this again… did you ever get a response from them?Man in Space wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:30 pm Come to think of it…let me e-mail the authors and ask them what they would like to see out of it.
EDIT: Just did.
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That does make me feel less self-conscious and bothersome.
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I'm in the process of adding the hosting (I guess I had it set to DNS Only at first). When it's done I can credential you.
Anybody else while I'm at it?
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Mr. López Porcheron responded;
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Thanks very much for this!
So, at least according to Porcheron, we’re on the right track in two key ways:
- We’re collecting sound changes in a database with a consistent format and phonemic information
- The data can be processed using an open-source library (that being my own Brassica)
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Hi all,
I'd like to volunteer to help out with the project. I've no formal linguistics training and just colang as a hobby, but I'd like to contribute.
I've been reading papers about sound changes in the Ryukyuan languages recently, so maybe I could start there?
I'd like to volunteer to help out with the project. I've no formal linguistics training and just colang as a hobby, but I'd like to contribute.
I've been reading papers about sound changes in the Ryukyuan languages recently, so maybe I could start there?
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Welcome! That would definitely be helpful for the Japonic thread.Mynodon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 5:29 pm Hi all,
I'd like to volunteer to help out with the project. I've no formal linguistics training and just colang as a hobby, but I'd like to contribute.
I've been reading papers about sound changes in the Ryukyuan languages recently, so maybe I could start there?
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Hey all, I'm Kev (aka Mr. López Porcheron from the above images ) I'm interested in helping, but my current time is a bit limited. I can pledge a couple hours per week (which might not be much, but it's at least something). My background is a programming one, so anything programming related I can help with. I checked your Brassica library, seems pretty cool, though I'm not familiar with haskell.bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:53 amThanks very much for this!
So, at least according to Porcheron, we’re on the right track in two key ways:
Which is good to know!
- We’re collecting sound changes in a database with a consistent format and phonemic information
- The data can be processed using an open-source library (that being my own Brassica)
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Can confirm, this is the man himself.
Welcome to the board!
Welcome to the board!
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Welcome! Nice to have you here on the team.
At least for the moment, I feel there isn’t a huge need for development work per se — the current website suffices for this early stage.I'm interested in helping, but my current time is a bit limited. I can pledge a couple hours per week (which might not be much, but it's at least something). My background is a programming one, so anything programming related I can help with. I checked your Brassica library, seems pretty cool, though I'm not familiar with haskell.
On the other hand, that experience could potentially be very useful for transcribing sound changes onto the website. Currently that process involves tools like git and YAML, which you may already be familiar with, but many other people here aren’t. (I hope to create a simpler submission process one day, but only once this project becomes a bit larger.)
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Just discovered a Mixtec Sound Change Database. It would appear from the README that the ‘sound changes’ in question are merely correspondence sets, but there’s probably some way to use this information somehow.
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