Zompist Bboard Again

Moose-tache wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:31 am "For qua as" is up there with "upon qua on." It's recent enough that almost everyone still knows how to use it correctly (as opposed to, say, "thou" or "whom"), but no one uses it in normal conversation unless they're doing a bit.

Richard W wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:46 pm

Moose-tache wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:31 am "For qua as" is up there with "upon qua on." It's recent enough that almost everyone still knows how to use it correctly (as opposed to, say, "thou" or "whom"), but no one uses it in normal conversation unless they're doing a bit.

Is there a translation tool available for this? While 50% was intelligible, the key parts weren't.

Travis B. wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:58 pm I have no idea what "for qua as" or "upon qua on" even means.

Ryusenshi wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:03 pm I understood them as "using the word for with the meaning as", and "using the word upon with the meaning on".

Moose-tache wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:29 pm People out here gonna brag they use "for thine is the kingdom" in regular conversation, then act confused when they see qua.

Moose-tache wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:29 pm People out here gonna brag they use "for thine is the kingdom" in regular conversation, then act confused when they see qua.

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:01 pm While I understood the qua in context, I hadn't encountered it used before that way either, and would definitely put it in the "not English" category.

Richard W wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:42 pm

Moose-tache wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:29 pm People out here gonna brag they use "for thine is the kingdom" in regular conversation, then act confused when they see qua.

Is it so odd if you have a personal relationship with God? It would be rather odd in conversation between mortals.

Richard W wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:45 pm

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:01 pm While I understood the qua in context, I hadn't encountered it used before that way either, and would definitely put it in the "not English" category.

Well, it's not a conjunction in Latin, but it can be useful in English. It's also easier to type than 'in the rôle of'. However, it is a word for intellectual conversation, which is what we normally have here.

• 1) I read a book last month, and I read another this month.

• 2) I read a book last month, and I re-read the book this month.

I would call it superfluous Latin myself - extra Latin injected into otherwise English-language conversations all for the purpose of making one seem more "intellectual".

azhong wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:03 pm I was told that, without more text, the sentence
"I read a book again this month"
can seemingly have two meanings:

• 1) I read a book last month, and I read another this month.

• 2) I read a book last month, and I re-read the book this month.

Q: Which interpretation comes to you first? I am wondering if there is a more common understanding on it.

Moose-tache wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:01 am

I would call it superfluous Latin myself - extra Latin injected into otherwise English-language conversations all for the purpose of making one seem more "intellectual".

Sumne ovvendor?

zompist wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:40 am

azhong wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:03 pm I was told that, without more text, the sentence
"I read a book again this month"
can seemingly have two meanings:

• 1) I read a book last month, and I read another this month.

• 2) I read a book last month, and I re-read the book this month.

Q: Which interpretation comes to you first? I am wondering if there is a more common understanding on it.

Yes, you could get either meaning. (Well, the re-reading option would not imply that I first read it last month.)

I think this is pragmatic-- reading a new book is more ordinary than reading the same book again so soon.

azhong wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:03 pm I was told that, without more text, the sentence
"I read a book again this month"
can seemingly have two meanings:

• 1) I read a book last month, and I read another this month.

• 2) I read a book last month, and I re-read the book this month.

Q: Which interpretation comes to you first? I am wondering if there is a more common understanding on it.
I tried to move "again" to a different position, but it seems to just get a less natural word order and still have two possible meanings.
I read a book this month again.

Thank you, and wish you have a good day.
(Or please also let me know if you do not agree with anything I've mentioned in the post.)

• I don't usually read books, but having read one recently, I read a book this month.
• This month, I read a book that I had read before.
• I don't usually read books, but I have read books. I read a book this month.
  
  The different meanings result in differences in intonation.
  
  The more strained word order 'I read a book this month again' eliminates the second meaning for me.