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[Lērisama]

for reference, in mine, basically no one has a lot of position about muslims. santiago has all of two mosques. i live near one and it's pretty cool, and they have the courtesy of not blasting their speakers four times a day. it does not look full anytime i drive or walk past.

https://ispu.org/reports-and-analysis/latino-views-2/

Global trends can of course instantiate differently in different countries. Some Latin countries even sheltered Nazis after their defeat.

That link appears to be about Islamophobia among Latinos in the US. I'm not sure what point your trying to make with it

[rotting bones]

for reference, in mine, basically no one has a lot of position about muslims. santiago has all of two mosques. i live near one and it's pretty cool, and they have the courtesy of not blasting their speakers four times a day. it does not look full anytime i drive or walk past.

https://ispu.org/reports-and-analysis/latino-views-2/

Global trends can of course instantiate differently in different countries. Some Latin countries even sheltered Nazis after their defeat.

That link appears to be about Islamophobia among Latinos in the US. I'm not sure what point your trying to make with it

The extension of Latin culture in the imperial core is under the same globalist spell. With time, America does its best to export its opinions to the rest of the world. There's no reason to assume special resistance in Latin America.

[Raphael]

That link appears to be about Islamophobia among Latinos in the US. I'm not sure what point your trying to make with it

The extension of Latin culture in the imperial core is under the same globalist spell. With time, America does its best to export its opinions to the rest of the world. There's no reason to assume special resistance in Latin America.

European Islamophobia, as far as I can see, clearly has an existence independent of the US version, which, ironically in this context, is probably mostly about the fact that to a large extent, Muslims are to Europe what Latinos are to the USA. That is, the Middle East is a part of the world that, in global terms, is relatively close to us, where there's a lot less wealth, and a good deal more political instability, than here. With roughly the consequences you might expect.

[Richard W]

European Islamophobia,[/i]

Do you mean continental European Islamophobia? My perception, which might be dated, is that most British Moslems come from the Indian subcontinent.

[Raphael]

European Islamophobia,[/i]

Do you mean continental European Islamophobia?

Yes, mainly.

[Richard W]

European Islamophobia,

Do you mean continental European Islamophobia? My perception, which might be dated, is that most British Moslems come from the Indian subcontinent.

[Travis B.]

Islamophobia has less of a socioeconomic dimension to it in the US than in continental Europe because Muslim immigrants to the US tend to be better-off than Muslim immigrants to continental Europe. For instance, there are many Muslim immigrants in my sister's neighborhood in suburban Chicagoland, and these are wealthy immigrants overall.

[Raphael]

Islamophobia has less of a socioeconomic dimension to it in the US than in continental Europe because Muslim immigrants to the US tend to be better-off than Muslim immigrants to continental Europe.

Exactly! Don't get me wrong, our Islamophobes are parroting the lines they got from their friends in the US about how "Muslims are all terrorists", too. But on the whole, I'd say that's less central to our version of Islamophobia than to yours.

[rotting bones]

That link appears to be about Islamophobia among Latinos in the US. I'm not sure what point your trying to make with it

The extension of Latin culture in the imperial core is under the same globalist spell. With time, America does its best to export its opinions to the rest of the world. There's no reason to assume special resistance in Latin America.

European Islamophobia, as far as I can see, clearly has an existence independent of the US version, which, ironically in this context, is probably mostly about the fact that to a large extent, Muslims are to Europe what Latinos are to the USA. That is, the Middle East is a part of the world that, in global terms, is relatively close to us, where there's a lot less wealth, and a good deal more political instability, than here. With roughly the consequences you might expect.

They even negatively associate Islam with the same negative traits associated with their culture. What are you going to say at this point?

Personally, I think "culture" mainly applies to elites. The rest of humanity consists of an undifferentiated mass of barbarians except insofar as they have been brainwashed by high school propaganda.

[Torco]

for reference, in mine, basically no one has a lot of position about muslims. santiago has all of two mosques. i live near one and it's pretty cool, and they have the courtesy of not blasting their speakers four times a day. it does not look full anytime i drive or walk past.

https://ispu.org/reports-and-analysis/latino-views-2/

Global trends can of course instantiate differently in different countries. Some Latin countries even sheltered Nazis after their defeat.

isn't that latinos in the us ? aren't we like essentializing "latino" as a "race" here?

and okay, let's do that: i'm not saying latinos in general aren't fash, there's a lot of fash here, we're the cradle of bukele and milei, pinochetism is steady at around a 35% in my country, and probably rising. i'm sure if santiagoans interacted with muslims more regularly then plenty would come to hate them, just like they've come to hate venezuelans, maybe most would hate them depending on how much anti-muslim propa was on TV and SM. what i'm saying is that as it stands i've never heard anyone speak about muslims except in the context of things happening abroad, for example the zionist line of "muslims homophobic therefore israel good" or "the us gonna liberate afghani women" or "iran bad cause hijab" or whatever else, but that's all second-hand. in terms of lived experience, muslims just aren't a thing to hate, cause they aren't a thing. it's like looking for anti-tutsi sentiment in vanuatu (if hutus ruled the world, which admittedly is a relevant difference)

edit: i get the distinct impression latinos in the us are more right wing than their compatriots who didn't emigrate to the us. that kind of thing does happen, as with venezuelans abroad being distinctly more pro-us and right wing compared with venezuelans in venezuela.

[rotting bones]

for reference, in mine, basically no one has a lot of position about muslims. santiago has all of two mosques. i live near one and it's pretty cool, and they have the courtesy of not blasting their speakers four times a day. it does not look full anytime i drive or walk past.

https://ispu.org/reports-and-analysis/latino-views-2/

Global trends can of course instantiate differently in different countries. Some Latin countries even sheltered Nazis after their defeat.

isn't that latinos in the us ? aren't we like essentializing "latino" as a "race" here?

and okay, let's do that: i'm not saying latinos in general aren't fash, there's a lot of fash here, we're the cradle of bukele and milei, pinochetism is steady at around a 35% in my country, and probably rising. i'm sure if santiagoans interacted with muslims more regularly then plenty would come to hate them, just like they've come to hate venezuelans, maybe most would hate them depending on how much anti-muslim propa was on TV and SM. what i'm saying is that as it stands i've never heard anyone speak about muslims except in the context of things happening abroad, for example the zionist line of "muslims homophobic therefore israel good" or "the us gonna liberate afghani women" or "iran bad cause hijab" or whatever else, but that's all second-hand. in terms of lived experience, muslims just aren't a thing to hate, cause they aren't a thing. it's like looking for anti-tutsi sentiment in vanuatu (if hutus ruled the world, which admittedly is a relevant difference)

I'm talking about a global trend:

The extension of Latin culture in the imperial core is under the same globalist spell. With time, America does its best to export its opinions to the rest of the world. There's no reason to assume special resistance in Latin America.

[Torco]

sure, i'm not claiming special resistence in south america... hell, it's possible that south america will prove the easiest region for the us to fascistify, considering it is abjectly poor, extremely dominated by us media, economically totally dependent, full of evangelicals (fastest growing religion here), and the empire has a lot of accumulated operational know-how as to how to control its latin american satrapies

they've just not brought muslim hatred very much, cause there's not many muslims to hate

[rotting bones]

sure, i'm not claiming special resistence in south america... hell, it's possible that south america will prove the easiest region for the us to fascistify, considering it is abjectly poor, extremely dominated by us media, economically totally dependent, full of evangelicals (fastest growing religion here), and the empire has a lot of accumulated operational know-how as to how to control its latin american satrapies

they've just not brought muslim hatred very much, cause there's not many muslims to hate

That already puts you ahead of Japan. The Japanese hate Muslims for media reasons. I heard Japanese people say that after America colonized Japan, popular movements were gradually crushed. Widespread alienation (in the Marxist sense) has led to Japan's hypertrophied media/consumerist landscape. The Japanese have no civil society. They are always glued to their screens, if not gambling or listening to media people rant about Muslims, then watching a competition about oddly shaped cupcakes in their locality.

Latin America is so culturally progressive, a man from a Muslim family is DOING fascism there. Bukele's father was a Palestinian convert from Christianity to Islam.

[Raphael]

sure, i'm not claiming special resistence in south america... hell, it's possible that south america will prove the easiest region for the us to fascistify, considering it is abjectly poor, extremely dominated by us media, economically totally dependent, full of evangelicals (fastest growing religion here), and the empire has a lot of accumulated operational know-how as to how to control its latin american satrapies

Gotta admire the sheer beauty of "Here are all the local reasons why we're turning fascist, and also, if/when we're turning fascist, it will be entirely the fault of those other people over there!" in this passage.

[Torco]

sure, i'm not claiming special resistence in south america... hell, it's possible that south america will prove the easiest region for the us to fascistify, considering it is abjectly poor, extremely dominated by us media, economically totally dependent, full of evangelicals (fastest growing religion here), and the empire has a lot of accumulated operational know-how as to how to control its latin american satrapies

Gotta admire the sheer beauty of "Here are all the local reasons why we're turning fascist, and also, if/when we're turning fascist, it will be entirely the fault of those other people over there!" in this passage.

see, it works because the reasons we're turning fascist is mostly those people. to deny that latin america is somewhere where foreign influences affects politics is quite flatearthy. neither of evangelicals, poverty, us media domination, nor the US expertise in operating in the region are "local" factors. nor is economic dependence, quite obviously. but sure, it's our own damned fault, just like the congolese should have known better than become the property of king leopold!

Latin America is so culturally progressive, a man from a Muslim family is DOING fascism there. Bukele's father was a Palestinian convert from Christianity to Islam.

indeed! this isn't that unique, though, in this brave new-right world. in peru the fascist is a curvy asian woman. we need more female fuhrers!