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Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 9:34 am
by Travis B.
Let's try to avoid summarily removing whole CV (or greater) syllables from words just because we can...

(As a more minor quibble, obvious affricates are single segments, not segment pairs, even if we write them with multiple IPA symbols without ties.)

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 10:06 am
by /ˌnɐˈɾɛndɚduːd/
oops. I effed up that post, sorry! I've edited it to what I intended to type.

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 10:13 am
by Travis B.
/ˌnɐ.ˈɾɛn.dɚ.ˌduːd/ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 04, 2025 10:06 am oops. I effed up that post, sorry! I've edited it to what I intended to type.
I see two sets of brackets in the IPA now, which I assume you didn't intend.

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 11:11 am
by /ˌnɐˈɾɛndɚduːd/
...what I intended1...

1 for the most part, anyways. I've fixed it again, but hopefully the idea made it across the first time.

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 1:01 pm
by Travis B.
[ˈsowetʃø]
cöj
‘a type of domestic marsupial resembling a fox’

Breaking of long rounded fron vowels.



[ˈdjýʑ]
notchi
‘grounds, plot of land; habitat, native environs; country’

Fronting of vowels before (alveolo)palatal consonants.



[məˈmbbɔwɛ̯]
zhbme
‘swordfight, duel, trial by sword; rivalry, debate’

Prenasalization of voiced geminates.



[ˈɕeːɮɛ‿ɛˈɢæ̤ð]
séi'hle wǫgád
‘wash clothing’

Shift of patalalized alveolars to alveolopalatal consonants.



[ˈɲɟaʈʂəɽːe]
njathazhdirö
‘a type of sign which indicates a business is open’

[ɽr] > [ɽː]

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 5:49 pm
by Man in Space
[ˈsogetʃø]
cöj
‘a type of domestic marsupial resembling a fox’

Intervocalic glide fortition



[ˈdjŷ]
notchi
‘grounds, plot of land; habitat, native environs; country’

Coda fricatives > falling tone



[m̩bbɔwɛ̯]
zhbme
‘swordfight, duel, trial by sword; rivalry, debate’

NəN- > N̩-



[ˈɕeːɮɛ‿ɛˈɢæ̤l]
séi'hle wǫgád
‘wash clothing’

Consonant harmony triggered involving dentals and laterals



[ˈɲɟaːʈʂɽeː]
njathazhdirö
‘a type of sign which indicates a business is open’

The schwa in the penult deletes with compensatory lengthening of the preceding vowel; the consonant length in the ensuing cluster was redistributed onto the following vowel to preserve the chroneme aspect in the phonological resolution

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 4:54 am
by foxcatdog
[ˈsokʷetʃø]
cöj
‘a type of domestic marsupial resembling a fox’

*g > *kʷ



[ˈjŷ]
notchi
‘grounds, plot of land; habitat, native environs; country’

*dj > *j



[m̩bbʕɛ̯]
zhbme
‘swordfight, duel, trial by sword; rivalry, debate’

*ɔw > ʕ



[ˈɕeːɮɛ‿ɛˈqæ̤l]
séi'hle wǫgád
‘wash clothing’

*ɢ > *q



[ˈɲɟuaʈʂɽie]
njathazhdirö
‘a type of sign which indicates a business is open’

long vowel breaking

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2025 9:17 pm
by Man in Space
[ˈsocʷetʃø]
cöj
‘a type of domestic marsupial resembling a fox’

palatalization of velars before front vowels



[ˈî]
notchi
‘grounds, plot of land; country’

contraction of *jE sequences



[m̩bba]
zhbme
‘swordfight, duel, trial by sword; rivalry, debate; courage, outspokenness’

vocalization of *ʕV sequences



[ˈɕeːɮɛ‿ɛˈqæ̤ɮ]
séi'hle wǫgád
‘wash, prepare, or clean via mechanical processes involving liquids (transitive)’

progressive lateral harmony within the phonetic unit



[ˈɟuaʈʂɽie]
njathazhdirö
‘a type of sign which indicates a business is open; (vulgar) derogatory term implying a woman has loose sexual morals’

loss of prenasalization on stops

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2025 11:04 pm
by foxcatdog
[ˈsotʂetʃø]
cöj
‘a type of domestic marsupial resembling a fox’

*cʷ > *tʂ



[ˈhî]
notchi
‘grounds, plot of land; country’

initial *h added



[m̩ppa]
zhbme
‘swordfight, duel, trial by sword; rivalry, debate; courage, outspokenness’

*bb > *pp



[ˈɕweɮɛ‿ɛˈqæ̤ɮ]
séi'hle wǫgád
‘wash, prepare, or clean via mechanical processes involving liquids (transitive)’

*e: > *we



[ˈɟuaʈʂie]
njathazhdirö
‘a type of sign which indicates a business is open; (vulgar) derogatory term implying a woman has loose sexual morals’

*ɽ lost after retroflexes

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2025 11:56 pm
by Man in Space
[ˈsotʂetʃe]
cöj
‘a type of domestic marsupial resembling a fox’

ø y > e i / {e,i}…_



[hi̥]
notchi
‘grounds, plot of land; country’

[+syll] > [-vc] / h_#



[m̩pa]
zhbme
‘swordfight, duel, trial by sword; rivalry, debate; courage, outspokenness’

gemination lost after nasals



[ɕweɮɛˈqæ̤ɮ]
séi'hle wǫgád
‘wash, prepare, or clean via mechanical processes involving liquids (transitive)’

hiatus resolution



[ˈɟyæʈʂie]
njathazhdirö
‘a type of sign which indicates a business is open; (vulgar) derogatory term implying a woman has loose sexual morals’

back vowels front adjacent to palatals (progressively when in hiatus)

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2025 12:35 pm
by Travis B.
[ˈsoːtʂetʃe]
cöj
‘a type of domestic marsupial resembling a fox’

Lengthening of vowels in stressed open syllables.



[çi̥]
notchi
‘grounds, plot of land; country’

[h] > [ç] before [j] and front vowels.



[məpa]
zhbme
‘swordfight, duel, trial by sword; rivalry, debate; courage, outspokenness’

Desyllabicization of syllabic nasals with ejection of a following schwa.



[ɕweɮɛˈqa̤i̤̯ɮ]
séi'hle wǫgád
‘wash, prepare, or clean via mechanical processes involving liquids (transitive)’

[æ] > [ai̯]



[ˈdʑyæʈʂie]
njathazhdirö
‘a type of sign which indicates a business is open; (vulgar) derogatory term implying a woman has loose sexual morals’

[ɟ] > [dʑ]

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2025 7:17 pm
by foxcatdog
[ˈsuatʂetʃe]
cöj
‘a type of domestic marsupial resembling a fox’

o: > *ua



[çi̥n]
notchi
‘grounds, plot of land; country’

words with only a single mora acquire a final *n



[məpe]
zhbme
‘swordfight, duel, trial by sword; rivalry, debate; courage, outspokenness’

*a > *e after labials



[ɕweɮˈqa̤i̤̯ɮ]
séi'hle wǫgád
‘wash, prepare, or clean via mechanical processes involving liquids (transitive)’

Loss of pretonic vowels



[ˈʑyæʂie]
njathazhdirö
‘a type of sign which indicates a business is open; (vulgar) derogatory term implying a woman has loose sexual morals’

Deaffrication

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2025 7:44 pm
by Man in Space
[ˈsuatʂatʃa]
suaċača
‘a type of domestic marsupial resembling a fox’

progressive vowel harmony: /a u/ ~ /e i/



[çn̩]
chyn
‘grounds, plot of land; country’

loss of voiceless vowels before voiced sounds



[mopø]
mope
‘swordfight, duel, trial by sword; rivalry, debate; courage, outspokenness’

vowel roundedness assimilation when P_



[ɕfeɮˈqa̤i̤̯ɮ]
schfellqûyll
‘wash, prepare, or clean via mechanical processes involving liquids (transitive)’

*w > f / [-vc] _



[ˈʑyeʂie]
zschuiszii
‘(criminal slang) a method of operation that involves entering a place of business during active, normal business hours to execute one’s gambit’

taboo deformation raising stressed *yæ to [ye] in slang terms

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2025 8:05 pm
by foxcatdog
But why does the word reaffricate?

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2025 8:07 pm
by Man in Space
foxcatdog wrote: ↑Sat Nov 15, 2025 8:05 pm But why does the word reaffricate?
An accident on my part. I will fix it.

EDIT: Fixed, my apologies.

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2025 7:41 pm
by foxcatdog
We'll see what y'all can do with this word

[ˈma.ma]
momo
"instant noodles"

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2026 12:20 pm
by Man in Space
chattǟtie
[xɑˈʰtɛːtɕe]
‘wagon hitch’

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2026 1:24 pm
by Travis B.
chattǟtie
[xɑˈʰtsɛːtɕe]
‘wagon hitch’

Alveolar plosives affricate before front vowels.

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2026 1:55 pm
by Man in Space
chattǟtie
[xɑˈʰtsɛːtɕi]
‘wagon hitch’

Final mid vowels raise

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2026 3:45 pm
by Travis B.
chattǟtie
[xɑˈstsɛːtɕi]
‘wagon hitch’

Preaspiration turns into a homorganic voiceless fricative.