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Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:45 am
by Darren
bradrn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:47 am
Darren wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:46 am
bradrn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 1:08 am
(A similar example from English: the verb
help used to have past tense
holp, but in modern English the suffix
-ed has been generalised, such that the standard past tense form is now
helped. Similarly for
heave,
shave and a bunch of other verbs. But English verbs are complicated enough that analogy can work in the opposite direction too: e.g.
bring sometimes gets past tense
brang or
brung, by analogy with verbs like
wring and
spring.)
I have heard that English verbs reached peak regularity in the Middle Ages and since then the trend of analogy has been more in favour of strong verbs, although I don't know where they got their figures from.
Huh, really? I’m skeptical.
There's a fair few examples like digged → dug, wreaked → wrought (thus making "wreak" one of English's three suppletive verbs)
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:56 pm
by Zju
It's suppletive from a diachronic point of view, but I wonder if it can be synchronically analysed as suppletive, what with 'seak - sought'; or as one of only three, that is
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 2:09 am
by Emily
yeah i'm skeptical too, for every "brung" getting formed there's another "throve" turning into "thrived" due to lack of use and reinforce
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:57 am
by Darren
I think that "irregular" also includes the numerous analogical -en past forms (gotten, putten, slowen) and -t forms (wet, fit, built) both of which are undoubtedly on the rise.
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 6:20 am
by Raholeun
How likely would it be for a regular voicing distinction in stops to unconditionally develop into a contrast stiff vs.slack stops? For example, *p, *b > /p, b̥/. Are there known natural language examples of such a shift?
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:31 am
by Zju
Javanese?
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 4:40 pm
by dɮ the phoneme
Is there any language in which stress regularly precedes a heavy syllable?
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 2:34 am
by Ares Land
WALS thinks there aren't any:
https://wals.info/chapter/15
The universal property of a weight-sensitive system is that in cases (1a) and (1b) stress will always be located on the heavy syllable.