Zompist Bboard Again

Crab rangoon can be either for me; it is a count noun when speaking of individual units of crab rangoon ("Could you give me a couple crab rangoons?"), and as you see right here when I speak of crab rangoon in a collective fashion it is a mass nouns.

And it's been on the BBC for a while and it keeps catching me: Top tips for making your family swim awesome. I don't get it. Maybe it's just a British thing. Here, one of the great shibboleths of class in language is traditionally distinguishing adverbs from adjectives: using adjectives adverbially...

Oh, an alternative way of looking at changes like ter > tcher... sulcalisation! Rhotic vowels are typically sulcalised - indeed, /3/ is typically sulcalised even in non-rhotic dialects. And what effect does sulcalisation often have on neighbouring consonants? Affrication! I should note that in addi...

Zíkę yúšilə laqárča q'ahtəwóxô lô sa.
some-PF sentence-PF Laqar-ALL carry.IPFV-PST-A:1S-P:3PF should DED
I should translate some sentences into Laqar.

I distinctly remember that from a young age I pronounced mister as [ˈmɘɕtɕʁ̩(ː)] before I switched to the pronunciation [ˈmɘsʲːʁ̩(ː)], which is more common here.

I on the other hand found it easy to learn to pronounce [x] and still tend to hear initial [ts] and [s] as the same sound. However, learning to pronounce German /x/ (which really should be called /ç/) was trickier because I had to learn how to pronounce the allophone [ç] in isolation (because my nat...

I used to hear German initial /ts/ as [s], distinguished from German initial /z/ by voicing alone.

Lahẽləla laź žiśǫnútęk'əl laź məlęnútęča sótorô ze.
language-PF-POSS.1S very split-IPFV-PART.ACT-NOM=ABL very join-IPFV-PART.ACT-NOM=ALL vary.IPFV-3PF DIR
My languages vary from very isolating to very synthetic.

Actually, the conbination of English, Hebrew, and Romance speakers should specify a single stop series of /p t k/ because English-speakers often hear initial, stressed onset, and final [p t k] as /b d g/ due to English /p t k/ being aspirated initially and at the start of stressed onsets and preglot...

English speakers should rule out /ts/ and /x/ as phonemes.

/m n ɲ ŋ/ m n ń ŋ /p t k/ p t k /ts/ c /ᵐb~mᵇ ⁿd~nᵈ ᶮdʒ~ɲᵈᶾ ᵑɡ~ŋᶢ/ b d j g /f s ʃ x h/ f s ś x h /w ɾ l j/ w r l y /i iː ɪ~e eː ɛ ɛː æ æː ɑ ɑː ɔ ɔː o~ʊ oː u uː/ i ii é éé e ee ä ää a aa o oo ó óó u uu /nᵈemæːnᵈem bɛlɛ, jiːwoːɾokɑjnenᵈ ʃɛndɑsŋitijɛːxɔluːtuwɛːtijɛːnɛjimætɑmᵇæːti/ démäädém bele, yiiwóó...

This is my standard orthography: /laˈqʰaɾ/ laqhaar /m n/ m n /b d dz dʐ ɡ/ b d j ǰ g /pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ kʰ qʰ/ p t c č k q /pʼ tʼ tsʼ tʂʼ kʼ qʼ ʔ/ p' t' c' č' k' q' 0 /s ʂ ɕ χ h/ s š ś x h /z ʐ ʑ ʁ/ z ž ź ġ /ɾ l/ r l /w j/ w y When stressed: /i e ɛ a ɔ o u/ í é è á ò ó ú /ɛ̃ ã ɔ̃/ ẽ ã õ When unstressed:...

This is an alternative spelling from my normal one: /laˈqʰaɾ/ laqhaar /m n/ m n /b d dz dʐ ɡ/ b d dz dr g /pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ kʰ qʰ/ ph th tsh trh kh qh /pʼ tʼ tsʼ tʂʼ kʼ qʼ ʔ/ p t ts tr k q 0 /s ʂ ɕ χ h/ s sr sy x h /z ʐ ʑ ʁ/ z zr zy j /ɾ l/ r l /w j/ w y /i e ɛ a ə ɔ o u/ i é è a e ò o u /ɛ̃ ã ɔ̃/ ę ą ...

/laˈqʰaɾ/ /m n/ /b d dz dʐ ɡ/ /pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ kʰ qʰ/ /pʼ tʼ tsʼ tʂʼ kʼ qʼ ʔ/ /s ʂ ɕ χ h/ /z ʐ ʑ ʁ/ /ɾ l/ /w j/ /i e ɛ a ə ɔ o u/ /ɛ̃ ã ɔ̃/ Stress is phonemic, and can be on any of the last three syllables of a word. Consonant length is also phonemic. There is no phonemic vowel length. All syllables a...

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:29 am [m̩ˈm̥m̩] seems about right for me. (Glottal stops before either syllable are optional.)

I seem to have roughly the same pronunciation myself.

«heavy-3SM» əc «heavy-PST-3SM» «sílmə» əc «selãtəwə» tewúwo ləśbówə go. "heavy-3SM" and "heavy-PST-3SM" "sílmə" and "selãtəwə" equals.IPFV-A:3PM-P:3PM like.IPFV-A:1S-P:3SM EGO I like that "heavy-3SM" and "heavy-PST-3SM" are sílmə and selãt...

C'i laqárlo došécəre źélə selãtəwə ze.
DIST.SM Laqar=INST write-GER=DAT too heavy-PST-3SM DIR
That was too hard to write in Laqar.

All in all, Early Middle Laqar verb conjugation involves a fuckload of different forms (mind you that those tables do not involve any nominalizations beyond the gerund or any voices other than the default), and the sound changes that produced those forms and how they interact can be quite complicate...

Pabappa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:42 pm Šavo. ☺ Papetavompibo!
Me too. I'd like to see more!

Here are two (albeit partial) conjugation tables for two different Early Middle Laqar verbs, q'álcə and gákcə. You'll see what I mean by "hard".

Has anyone here heard centralization of /oʊ/ in the Upper Midwest? I notice that my daughter frequently has [əʊ] for it when most people at least close to my age or older here have some sort of allophony between [o] and [oʊ] (e.g. I have [o] except before vowels and sometimes finally, where then I h...