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by chris_notts
Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:50 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
Replies: 984
Views: 477912

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Seems like the monospace font on some devices borks the IPA symbols :cry:
by chris_notts
Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:44 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
Replies: 984
Views: 477912

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

I've been reworking phonologies and, while I have my own ideas, I'm curious how others would prefer to write this one. Can be analysed as having 11 consonant phonemes: p t t͡ʃ k q m n ɲ ŋ ɮ j There are 5 vowel qualities which occur long and short: i e a o u iː eː aː oː uː All except j can surface as...
by chris_notts
Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:56 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang Random Thread
Replies: 2980
Views: 2850178

Re: Conlang Random Thread

This discussion reminded me of Kusaal , an Oti-Volta language spoken in Ghana and Burkina Faso. It has "invisible clitics" or, as they're called in the grammar I link, "prosodic enclitics", which have no surface realisation of their own, but undo apocope and effects of tone sand...
by chris_notts
Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:27 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang Random Thread
Replies: 2980
Views: 2850178

Re: Conlang Random Thread

(I wasn't sure if that was the almost, or if there was something else I missed - knowing me, I didn't discount the possibility)[/size] Yes, that was the almost . There's a good paper here which discussed some examples and what counts, for the enclitic case anyway: http://cysouw.de/home/articles_fil...
by chris_notts
Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:54 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang Random Thread
Replies: 2980
Views: 2850178

Re: Conlang Random Thread

I've been working or reworking a phonology with apocope and syncope, and I was considering how it might be interesting to add ditropic case clitics into it. A ditropic clitic is a clitic that attach one way phonologically but another way syntactically. For example, Belep has case clitics which attac...
by chris_notts
Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:54 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Lexicon management?
Replies: 17
Views: 1064

Re: Lexicon management?

You’re not wrong! But I find that for my purposes, it works well enough. And being plain text makes up for a lot, since it’s so easy to process via other means. So are spreadsheets though! You can manually export to CSV, but I just use pandas.read_excel in my Python code to read in the summary tabl...
by chris_notts
Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:05 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
Replies: 984
Views: 477912

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

if we really want to commit to ascii then let's really commit: /b d ɡ/ ⟨! " #⟩ /p t k/ ⟨$ % &⟩ /s ʃ h/ ⟨' ( )⟩ /w r j/ ⟨* + ,⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/ ⟨- . / 0⟩ /i u e a/ ⟨1 2 3 4⟩ Long vowels: ⟨5 6 7 8⟩ #2&3 ,4.%4 $4(1*4 &3#3.4 &2+2 !3'%4.1 (2+*1 "4.%4 $4!4'1 &2.,4 -2+104 )4."...
by chris_notts
Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:27 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
Replies: 984
Views: 477912

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

/b d ɡ/ ⟨b d g⟩ /p t k/ ⟨p t k⟩ /s ʃ h/ ⟨s x h⟩ /w r j/ ⟨w r y⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/ ⟨m n j g⟩ /i u e a/ ⟨i u e a⟩ Long vowels: ⟨ii uu ee aa⟩ I’m not quite sure how to interpret the rule for nasal assimilation: presumably /danma/→/damma/, but that would contradict your statement that geminates are disallowed....
by chris_notts
Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:25 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Lexicon management?
Replies: 17
Views: 1064

Re: Lexicon management?

Relevant. Indeed, I follow this advice and keep my conlangs in simple hand-coded HTML files - thereby also not needing any conversion when I am going to put them on my web site. This is why I use SIL Toolbox — its native format is MDF, which is plain text (somewhat reminiscent of LaTeX, but a lot s...
by chris_notts
Sun Jun 25, 2023 1:38 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: a small description of my con-stuff
Replies: 29
Views: 2656

Re: a small description of my con-stuff

Is there a little bit of Japanese inspiration to the verb morphology? Obviously it's not the same, but I got the feeling that there might be a bit of that in the mix. Incidentally, there's a cool addressee distinction from Basque that you might be interested in: traditionally many verbs agree with t...
by chris_notts
Sun Jun 25, 2023 1:31 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4688
Views: 2061959

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Kalam actually has quite a large amount of literature — mostly by Pawley, but luckily he’s an excellent analyst. It mostly focusses on the SVCs, but you can find stuff about coverb constructions too. The literature includes: Pawley 1993, A language which defies description by ordinary means (chapte...
by chris_notts
Sun Jun 25, 2023 1:29 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Chris' scratchpad (was: Ch'ubmin)
Replies: 32
Views: 4351

Re: Ch'ubmin

I’m not sure how qualified I am to comment on this, but Aikhenvald’s Classifiers has a nice chapter on verb classification if you’re interested. Yeah, I have that book but the two chapters on multiple classifier languages are not that helpful. They're very high-level, mostly for languages that I do...
by chris_notts
Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:23 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Chris' scratchpad (was: Ch'ubmin)
Replies: 32
Views: 4351

Re: Ch'ubmin

I've been debating for some time whether incorporated nouns should go where they currently do in the template, and reading through Valentine's grammar of Ojibwe has given me more thoughts on the issue and an idea about how to move forward. https://chrisintheweeds.com/2023/06/21/why-noun-sandwiches/ ...
by chris_notts
Wed Jun 14, 2023 6:58 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4688
Views: 2061959

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Ooh, very interesting! I never thought of verbal classifiers as being the same phenomenon as light verbs… though then again, given the differences you note, maybe there’s reason to consider them different. Kalam feels like the real outlier there, because it uses SVCs so extensively. I agree that th...
by chris_notts
Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:56 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4688
Views: 2061959

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

I've been trying to get a better handle on verb classification and light verb semantics in Australian languages and Algonquian, so I did a bit of data collection and wrote a blog post about it:

https://chrisintheweeds.com/2023/06/14/ ... -boogaloo/
by chris_notts
Fri Jun 02, 2023 5:36 am
Forum: Ephemera
Topic: Russia invades Ukraine
Replies: 444
Views: 112970

Re: Russia invades Ukraine

The argument about defense from terrorists doesn't really work on anyone who is at all objective though, when you invaded first and started the whole war, are still doing much much more damage to the country you're invading than they're doing to you. It's not worth holding back on things that can he...
by chris_notts
Fri May 12, 2023 7:53 am
Forum: Ephemera
Topic: British Politics Guide
Replies: 1936
Views: 1018872

Re: British Politics Guide

My takeaway is that the story of the local elections was the return of tactical voting. The Conservatives did worse than expected not just because of vote share, but because of a lot of tactical voting for the most likely candidate to beat them. The evidence was much more that people hate the Conser...
by chris_notts
Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:35 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4688
Views: 2061959

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Although I actually think the following apparently (if I understood comments in Dixon's overview correctly) attested system is quite cool: 1. Alveolar apical 2. Retroflex 3. Laminal (allophones: palatal before i, dental otherwise) I think it gets what you might want in a way, which is presumably to ...
by chris_notts
Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:18 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4688
Views: 2061959

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

I'm struggling to find specific Australian examples though. Most of the two series laminal - apical languages seem to go for either the apical alveolar option, or alveolar~retroflex allomorphy. It seems like to have retroflexes you maybe need plain apicals too, which means that in Australian languag...
by chris_notts
Sun Apr 30, 2023 1:54 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4688
Views: 2061959

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

A simple and maybe dumb question: Do languages with a retroflex series of consonants (such as /ʈ ɖ ɳ ʂ ʐ ɽ ɭ/) always also have a palatal series (such as /c ɟ ɲ ɕ ʑ ʎ/)? I don't think so. According to Dixon's survey of Australian languages, while most contrast apical and laminal coronal series, the...