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I used to hear German initial /ts/ as [s], distinguished from German initial /z/ by voicing alone.

Lahẽləla laź žiśǫnútęk'əl laź məlęnútęča sótorô ze.
language-PF-POSS.1S very split-IPFV-PART.ACT-NOM=ABL very join-IPFV-PART.ACT-NOM=ALL vary.IPFV-3PF DIR
My languages vary from very isolating to very synthetic.

Actually, the conbination of English, Hebrew, and Romance speakers should specify a single stop series of /p t k/ because English-speakers often hear initial, stressed onset, and final [p t k] as /b d g/ due to English /p t k/ being aspirated initially and at the start of stressed onsets and preglot...

English speakers should rule out /ts/ and /x/ as phonemes.

/m n ɲ ŋ/ m n ń ŋ /p t k/ p t k /ts/ c /ᵐb~mᵇ ⁿd~nᵈ ᶮdʒ~ɲᵈᶾ ᵑɡ~ŋᶢ/ b d j g /f s ʃ x h/ f s ś x h /w ɾ l j/ w r l y /i iː ɪ~e eː ɛ ɛː æ æː ɑ ɑː ɔ ɔː o~ʊ oː u uː/ i ii é éé e ee ä ää a aa o oo ó óó u uu /nᵈemæːnᵈem bɛlɛ, jiːwoːɾokɑjnenᵈ ʃɛndɑsŋitijɛːxɔluːtuwɛːtijɛːnɛjimætɑmᵇæːti/ démäädém bele, yiiwóó...

This is my standard orthography: /laˈqʰaɾ/ laqhaar /m n/ m n /b d dz dʐ ɡ/ b d j ǰ g /pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ kʰ qʰ/ p t c č k q /pʼ tʼ tsʼ tʂʼ kʼ qʼ ʔ/ p' t' c' č' k' q' 0 /s ʂ ɕ χ h/ s š ś x h /z ʐ ʑ ʁ/ z ž ź ġ /ɾ l/ r l /w j/ w y When stressed: /i e ɛ a ɔ o u/ í é è á ò ó ú /ɛ̃ ã ɔ̃/ ẽ ã õ When unstressed:...

This is an alternative spelling from my normal one: /laˈqʰaɾ/ laqhaar /m n/ m n /b d dz dʐ ɡ/ b d dz dr g /pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ kʰ qʰ/ ph th tsh trh kh qh /pʼ tʼ tsʼ tʂʼ kʼ qʼ ʔ/ p t ts tr k q 0 /s ʂ ɕ χ h/ s sr sy x h /z ʐ ʑ ʁ/ z zr zy j /ɾ l/ r l /w j/ w y /i e ɛ a ə ɔ o u/ i é è a e ò o u /ɛ̃ ã ɔ̃/ ę ą ...

/laˈqʰaɾ/ /m n/ /b d dz dʐ ɡ/ /pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ kʰ qʰ/ /pʼ tʼ tsʼ tʂʼ kʼ qʼ ʔ/ /s ʂ ɕ χ h/ /z ʐ ʑ ʁ/ /ɾ l/ /w j/ /i e ɛ a ə ɔ o u/ /ɛ̃ ã ɔ̃/ Stress is phonemic, and can be on any of the last three syllables of a word. Consonant length is also phonemic. There is no phonemic vowel length. All syllables a...

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:29 am [m̩ˈm̥m̩] seems about right for me. (Glottal stops before either syllable are optional.)

I seem to have roughly the same pronunciation myself.

«heavy-3SM» əc «heavy-PST-3SM» «sílmə» əc «selãtəwə» tewúwo ləśbówə go. "heavy-3SM" and "heavy-PST-3SM" "sílmə" and "selãtəwə" equals.IPFV-A:3PM-P:3PM like.IPFV-A:1S-P:3SM EGO I like that "heavy-3SM" and "heavy-PST-3SM" are sílmə and selãt...

C'i laqárlo došécəre źélə selãtəwə ze.
DIST.SM Laqar=INST write-GER=DAT too heavy-PST-3SM DIR
That was too hard to write in Laqar.

All in all, Early Middle Laqar verb conjugation involves a fuckload of different forms (mind you that those tables do not involve any nominalizations beyond the gerund or any voices other than the default), and the sound changes that produced those forms and how they interact can be quite complicate...

Pabappa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:42 pm Šavo. ☺ Papetavompibo!
Me too. I'd like to see more!

Here are two (albeit partial) conjugation tables for two different Early Middle Laqar verbs, q'álcə and gákcə. You'll see what I mean by "hard".

Has anyone here heard centralization of /oʊ/ in the Upper Midwest? I notice that my daughter frequently has [əʊ] for it when most people at least close to my age or older here have some sort of allophony between [o] and [oʊ] (e.g. I have [o] except before vowels and sometimes finally, where then I h...

The pronunciation [ˈfɒo̯kn̩(ː)]~[ˈfɒo̯kɘ̃(ː)(n)], i.e. with /ɔːl/, is more natural for me than the pronunciation with [ˈfɛɤ̯kn̩(ː)]~[ˈfɛɤ̯kɘ̃(ː)(n)], i.e. with /æl/, and since I picked up the word from reading it rather than from hearing it I naturally opted for the former pronunciation - I only rea...

Of course the simplest approach - which is always a plus when it comes to auxlangs - is to not have grammatical gender at all and to have only a small set of explicitly inherently gendered words that are highly lexicalized in nature, using adjectives/stative verbs to mark gender when needed otherwis...

I'm curious about the pronounciation of 'almond' with a short 'a', though. How did that happen? [and I'd never heard before of the spelling pronunciation of 'salmon'! Nor the l-less dolphin!] Probably the way that spelling-pronounced falcon ended up with /æl/ despite having not /al/ but rather the ...

Laqár śę gẽcəri sílmə sálo ləśbówə go.
Laqar-DEF.F word build-GER-POSS.3SF heavy-3SM despite like.IPFV-A:1S-P:3SM EGO
I like Laqar inflection/conjugation even though it is hard.

Nobody said that. Methru just said he doesn't like it, and let's be real, a modern auxlang really should reflect modern liberal mores. About auxlangs, one thing that should be remembered is that language features do not in practice make a society more or less liberal; the modern Anglosphere and Ger...

mèþru wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:20 am A Romanian-based European creole Girl Genius style?

I can definitely see making a creole based on Romanian with Slavic, Hungarian, German, and French (there was a period in which borrowing from French to Romanian was all the rage) elements as well.