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by missals
Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:45 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Innovative Usage Thread
Replies: 572
Views: 666574

Re: Innovative Usage Thread

The other day on Reddit I saw someone use "sept" as the past tense of "seep" - not as a joke, just in a big block of non-whimsical running text
by missals
Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:17 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Hmmm...
Replies: 33
Views: 18877

Re: Proper Notation

It doesn't matter. A linguist writing a phonological description would put them in a table and the brackets wouldn't really be necessary anyways since they'd say something to the effect of "there are 15 phonemic consonants in _______, as well as one major allophone (fig. 2)" that would mak...
by missals
Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:39 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: The 'Is this attested?' Thread
Replies: 51
Views: 32449

Re: The 'Is this attested?' Thread

It doesn't sound too odd at all, actually, especially considering that Cypriot has initial geminates. Some Romance varieties of Italy also have Cj Gj > Ctʃ Gdʒ, including word-initially (thus /blaŋko/ > /bjaŋko/ > /bdʒaŋk/ in some Lombard varieties) This makes me imagine a sound change like: Cj Gj >...
by missals
Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:05 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: SCs needed... esp. fortitions, lengthening words
Replies: 40
Views: 23746

Re: SCs needed... esp. fortitions, lengthening words

Another morphological solution: If a definite marker becomes so weakened and semantically empty that it ceases to mean anything at all, the former definite form may simply become the default, unmarked form, with the definite marker simply glommed onto all nouns. This happened in Syriac, and I've hea...
by missals
Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:53 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: SCs needed... esp. fortitions, lengthening words
Replies: 40
Views: 23746

Re: SCs needed... esp. fortitions, lengthening words

From The Dialects of Italy by Martin Maiden and Mair Perry: Insertion of a homorganic consonant after a final nasal, e.g. [sa’lamp] “salame”, [omp] “man” (Friulian) All consonants except /ŋ/ lengthened after stressed short vowels - e.g. /mel/ > [ melː] but /meːl/ > [meːl] - including the first eleme...
by missals
Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:54 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang Random Thread
Replies: 3065
Views: 2892948

Re: Conlang Random Thread

Another kind of horrible thing I just thought of: A language where every vowel has a consonant counterpart and vice versa - it only permits CV(C) syllables, and words are strictly consonant-initial, meaning that if a prefix (with an odd number of phonemes) is added, the entire thing is resyllabified...
by missals
Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:09 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang Random Thread
Replies: 3065
Views: 2892948

Re: Conlang Random Thread

A while ago I had this ridiculous idea where every single noun and pronoun occupies a unique place on the animacy hierarchy, meaning sentences can always have totally free word order without any additional marking since the higher-ranking NP is always assumed to be the agent unless inverse marking i...
by missals
Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:27 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1333
Views: 832636

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

I don't think anything like that has happened in the history of Romance. Though its not impossible, I think in Taravo you have a distinction preserved between short /i/ and long /eː/. Apparently, in the northwestern Balkan region, the Romance vowel system had a tendency to confuse long /eː/ with /i...
by missals
Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:04 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang Random Thread
Replies: 3065
Views: 2892948

Re: Conlang Random Thread

So I'm thinking of a split-S conlang where: - Inanimates can never be the syntactic subject of a transitive verb (a real thing) - Non-specific inanimates can't be (syntactic) objects of a verb at all (a real thing) And I'm thinking there's going to be a form that removes the object from transitives ...
by missals
Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:47 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: My auxlang
Replies: 7
Views: 4551

Re: My auxlang

For compounds - you could use some kind of interfix or special particle. Something genitive-like. It could just be, say, o . Or lo . I guess the form would depend on the typical shape of root words. If the roots are more CVC-like, then it might look like kat + gom = katogom. Or kat-o-gom. If the roo...
by missals
Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:35 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Things Decided for Stupid Reasons
Replies: 86
Views: 62160

Re: Things Decided for Stupid Reasons

Not mine, but David J. Peterson has remarked that if he's working on a language where, for whatever reason, he has decided the orthographic representation of long vowels will be a doubled vowel letter, then that language can never have long /e/ and long /o/ - he always gets rid of them by dipthongiz...
by missals
Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:20 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: dhoklang scratchpad (NP Cappadocian)
Replies: 11
Views: 5803

Re: dhoklang scratchpad (NP Cappadocian)

pres/ind and pres/subj looking very ripe for merger with just a small vowel change - Western Romance style /a/ with /a:/, /i/ with /e:/, and it would be an almost total merger

is ibi- the "augment"? what's the diachronic source of that?
by missals
Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:05 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1333
Views: 832636

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

I have recently speculated a bit about a Romlang in which the Latin vowels turn out as: Latin > Romlang i i: > e i e e: > e i a a: > a a o o: > o u u u: > o u Now, I am certain this is possible if it evolved directly from the Latin vowel system, since the length distinction would keep /e:/ and /i/ (...
by missals
Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:43 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1333
Views: 832636

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

I would think you could get P' from sP extremely simply, just by sP > hP > PP > P'

I mean, I think hP > PP is plausible. It could go hP > ʔP > PP, and that would be plausible for sure, right?
by missals
Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:37 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Retransliterate Klingon!
Replies: 22
Views: 19747

Re: Retransliterate Klingon!

/p b t ɖ q ʔ/ p b t d k f
/tɬ tʃ dʒ/ z c j
/v ʂ x ɣ qχ/ v s h x q
/l r/ l r
/m n ŋ/ m n g
/w y/ w y

/ɪ ɛ a u o/ i e a u o

/qaʂtaxvɪʂ waʔ ram loʂ ʂaɖ xuɣ ʂɪdʒlax qɛtboɣ loɖ/
Kastahvis waf ram los sad hux sijlah ketbox lod.
by missals
Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:52 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: DJP criticisms
Replies: 81
Views: 42302

Re: DJP criticisms

Oneida. It has two feminine genders, feminine-zoic and feminine-indefinite. Broadly speaking, feminine-zoic is used for women of childbearing age and female animals, while feminine-indefinite is used for older women and for generic/unspecified referents.
by missals
Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:53 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1333
Views: 832636

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

What are some of the ways a language can develop an initial-only velar nasal? Are there any phonemes that love turning into one? This can actually just happen by itself. Some languages, I think in particular some of the Samoyedic languages, have undergone a sound change where all vowel-initial word...
by missals
Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:42 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: DJP criticisms
Replies: 81
Views: 42302

Re: DJP criticisms

I have Peterson's book, I've read it, and I think it's great. I don't know what people are talking about with saying that it just talks about how he made his languages, and not how to conlang in general. Now, there can probably be some criticisms of how it's laid out or what exactly it addresses, bu...
by missals
Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:43 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: How was the age of the Rigveda (and by extension, the oldest attested form of Sanskrit) determined?
Replies: 17
Views: 13928

Re: How was the age of the Rigveda (and by extension, the oldest attested form of Sanskrit) determined?

Don't press me on a source for this, but one theory I've heard (maybe on the old ZBB?) is that Iranian and Indo-Aryan was originally a north (Iranian) - south (Indo-Aryan) split, with the southern group coming into close contact with the Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex, thus giving the Indo-...
by missals
Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:49 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Morphologised Initial palatalizations?
Replies: 14
Views: 14259

Re: Morphologised Initial palatalizations?

There are some Bantu languages that do this. I can't recall an example from a specific language, but it generally went something like this:

okana > okana > okana > kana
ikana > ikʲana > it͜ʃana > t͜ʃana