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by missals
Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:24 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: /d/ for intervocalic /t/ in American dictionaries.
Replies: 17
Views: 10209

Re: /d/ for intervocalic /t/ in American dictionaries.

I should note that aside from the cases with /ər/ such as tiger and Tiber , it seems all the lenis plosive cases involve /d/. I should also note that there are clear discrepancies such as fiber , which always has [ae̯]. Oh, wow, then I am much different, then. I have raising on cyber (and all deriv...
by missals
Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:09 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: /d/ for intervocalic /t/ in American dictionaries.
Replies: 17
Views: 10209

Re: /d/ for intervocalic /t/ in American dictionaries.

The rule seems to be that /aɪ/ is [əe̯] before fortis obstruents and before lenis plosives followed directly by /ə/ (when not realized as [ɘ], e.g. Ida , Idaho ), /ər/ (e.g. tiger , spider ), /əl/ (e.g. idle ), /ɔ/ (e.g. Midol ), or /oʊ/ (e.g. Fido ) unsplit by a morpheme boundary. Note that the vo...
by missals
Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:07 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.
Replies: 263
Views: 165970

Re: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.

Quechua and Mayan are of course attributable to Spanish influence. That's extraordinarily flippant, and unjustified. The q > k shift happened in a number of branches of Mayan and forms a deep and early isogloss in the family, and has nothing to do with Spanish. I don't know about Quechua, but I hop...
by missals
Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:00 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Names, Naming Conventions, and Name Usage
Replies: 61
Views: 38124

Re: Names, Naming Conventions, and Name Usage

That history of surnames being used as first names is very interesting. It looks like we've got a step-by-step transformation in use: surname > middle name > male given name > unisex given name > female given name. What's interesting about this is that, in English, it seems to be an almost ironclad ...
by missals
Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:21 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Names, Naming Conventions, and Name Usage
Replies: 61
Views: 38124

Re: Names, Naming Conventions, and Name Usage

Pedantry: "Windsor" is the name of the royal house, but it isn't a surname. The British royal family have never had surnames; their royal houses have been terms of convenience, often only applied after the fact. Some of them have descended from surnames - the House of Stuart were descende...
by missals
Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:30 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Names, Naming Conventions, and Name Usage
Replies: 61
Views: 38124

Re: Names, Naming Conventions, and Name Usage

Not quite the same thing, but a lot of Kings of Sweden sandwich a regnal number between two personal names, e.g. Carl XVI Gustaf . You see this elsewhere as well: Alexios I Komnenos, for instance. "Komnenos" is a surname, though - the tradition for the later Byzantine emperors is to refer...
by missals
Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:39 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Names, Naming Conventions, and Name Usage
Replies: 61
Views: 38124

Re: Names, Naming Conventions, and Name Usage

The "no distinction between name, rank, and title" thing makes me think of the names/titles of a lot of rulers of Persianate monarchies - e.g. the Mughal Emperors Shah Jahan and Bahadur Shah. "Shah" obviously means "king/emperor", and they were kings/emperors, but was &...
by missals
Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:32 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Where are the analytic and nonconcatenative conlangs?
Replies: 66
Views: 53596

Re: Where are the analytic and nonconcatenative conlangs?

Well, anyways, I didn't mean to drop a bomb about French grammar, I just wanted to show what disfixation could look like if it did exist in a language. Just pretend the words I listed are from some unrelated language that coincidentally resembles French.
by missals
Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:34 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang Random Thread
Replies: 3065
Views: 2892907

Re: Conlang Random Thread

Another complete newbie question: if you divide languages into agglutinative, fusional, and isolating, how common is it for a language belonging to one of these types to eventually turn into another type over time? Very common. For some changes, like completely isolating to completely fusional, we ...
by missals
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:32 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Where are the analytic and nonconcatenative conlangs?
Replies: 66
Views: 53596

Re: Where are the analytic and nonconcatenative conlangs?

Second, a question about the scope of nonconcatenativity: do any of the following count? Truncation - Is this nonconcatenative? If so, why is any one form of the word considered the "base form"? Isn't it just that everything else has an affix, while the truncated form is the base (a-la th...
by missals
Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:48 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Where are the analytic and nonconcatenative conlangs?
Replies: 66
Views: 53596

Re: Where are the analytic and nonconcatenative conlangs?

This actually makes me wonder, though: how many conlangs use stress in a similar way? I think I remember a romlang or two that had a regular stress contrast somewhere in the verb system, but otherwise, has anyone made a "stress lang" (so to speak)? I've speculated about making something l...
by missals
Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:12 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Where are the analytic and nonconcatenative conlangs?
Replies: 66
Views: 53596

Re: Where are the analytic and nonconcatenative conlangs?

I don't know. Are tone & stress considered "morphology"? I assumed they weren't, and therefor wouldn't be "non-concatenative morphology". Tone and stress are absolutely considered morphology. They're distinct phonological segments which can bear meaning - there are morphemes...
by missals
Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:26 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4747
Views: 2138890

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

I suddenly wonder - are there sign languages with phonological alternations? That is, purely phonological in diachronic origin, akin to consonant mutation or umlaut? I know some (most? all?) sign languages have verbal alternations marking aspect (e.g. iterative, etc) but I'm under the impression the...
by missals
Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:12 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Is there anything cool about Esperanto?
Replies: 38
Views: 16929

Re: Is there anything cool about Esperanto?

Well, Esperanto will always be interesting in that it's the most widespread and successful conlang in history - it has a 130-year-old linguistic community with tens of thousands of members and even some native speakers. I don't think it's particularly good as an auxlang, but the fact that it's gener...
by missals
Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:23 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Evidentiality
Replies: 14
Views: 7843

Re: Evidentiality

Something useful I found out recently from The Oxford Handbook of Grammaticalization - evidential categories often develop from "ordinary", non-evidential TAM forms. This typically happens when a TAM form takes on an evidential implication or shade of meaning. This can remain stable of cou...
by missals
Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:26 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Random phonological inventories thread 2.0
Replies: 25
Views: 20177

Re: Random phonological inventories thread 2.0

2+3 Clusivity wrote: Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:52 am /t ts k/
/s h/
/n/

/ʉ a/ plus accent, nasalization.

{s, h}CVC

Onset h only surfaces following an accented $.
Very boldly minimalistic, like a toy Iroquoian language.

Wrt onset /h/, do you mean lone onset /h/, or /hC/ clusters? Or both?
by missals
Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:26 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4747
Views: 2138890

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Does anyone know of any languages with fairly simple phonologies - especially ones with small phoneme inventories, and possibly ones with very simple phonotactics - that have a good amount of morphological alternations? I can think of rendaku and Lyman's law in Japanese, and those stem extensions th...
by missals
Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:02 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Noah Webster's spelling reform. Was it a bad idea?
Replies: 24
Views: 12992

Re: Noah Webster's spelling reform. Was it a bad idea?

Yeah, all of the changes were pretty superficial. The only British-American spelling difference that's ever caused me trouble is draught. I went years not realizing it was the same as draft, thinking it was pronounced the same as drought.
by missals
Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:05 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4747
Views: 2138890

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Does anyone happen to know of any languages that permit only one particular consonant in the coda, other than /n/ or an archiphonemic nasal? (like in Japanese?) E.g. a language that only allows /s/ in the coda. I do know there's Iau with its word-final [p̚] < /f/, but that's very unusual if I'm not ...
by missals
Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:25 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Non native users of sign languages
Replies: 7
Views: 4566

Re: Non native users of sign languages

Yes, there is a "hearing accent" that is very obvious to native signers. Presumably the "hearing accent" (or rather, the non-native "hearing variety") differs depending on the native language of the hearing learner. But I suspect that many (mainly phonological) aspects ...