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- Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:33 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 1782
- Views: 4951934
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Thanks for the replies! I have a few followup questions. I probably should have included "resolute" also in the initial post; if any of you want to add a transcription for it, please mark the stress so I can see if it is different from the stress in the adverb. I was wondering whether any...
- Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:39 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: The glebst of gleb, V2.0
- Replies: 110
- Views: 84237
Re: The glebst of gleb, V2.0
Seed (unknown): vowels are /i iː u uː eː oː ɛː œː ɔː a aː/. Also /gʷ/ without regular /g/. I think that the /gʷ/ thing is often used as an approximant in the syllable structure, along with other unexpected voiced plosives. Seed 1331003844: vowel inventory of /i ɛ a/. And a pharyngealized velar appr...
- Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:56 pm
- Forum: Ephemera
- Topic: Confusing headlines
- Replies: 707
- Views: 558106
Re: Confusing headlines
I read the sentence correctly, because I'm used to gaming lingo, where "broken" means "badly designed" (in particular "overpowered", but it wouldn't make sense for a law). I'd normally have a similar interpretation of "X is/are broken," but in this case it's ...
- Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:44 pm
- Forum: Ephemera
- Topic: Confusing headlines
- Replies: 707
- Views: 558106
Re: Confusing headlines
I would still be confused if they wanted to change laws just because people broke them. What if people broke them so much the laws couldn't be enforced? Possibly, although if they wanted to say that I'd have expected something more definite than "Sex Offender Laws Are Broken," which says ...
- Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:04 pm
- Forum: Ephemera
- Topic: Confusing headlines
- Replies: 707
- Views: 558106
Re: Confusing headlines
" Sex Offender Laws Are Broken. These Women Are Working To Fix Them. " Took me a while before I realised it meant that "the laws aren't working properly so they should be changed", rather than "people break the laws so the laws should be modified." I was really confuse...
- Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:16 am
- Forum: Ephemera
- Topic: Confusing headlines
- Replies: 707
- Views: 558106
Re: Confusing headlines
" Sex Offender Laws Are Broken. These Women Are Working To Fix Them. " Took me a while before I realised it meant that "the laws aren't working properly so they should be changed", rather than "people break the laws so the laws should be modified." I was really confused...
- Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:56 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 1782
- Views: 4951934
- Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:13 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Replies: 4741
- Views: 2135677
Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Does anyone have a reference to the assumed order of sound changes from Old Japanese to current times? If not, OJ to any later stage of would be extremely helpful, as long as they have at least a general idea of when the changes occurred. IIRC A History of the Japanese Language by Bjarke Frellesvig...
- Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:49 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: The glebst of gleb, V2.0
- Replies: 110
- Views: 84237
Re: The glebst of gleb, V2.0
I don't think any of them do. None of them have nasal vowels, or any nasal phones. I'm not sure Gleb does epenthetic semivowels, but none of these have them.
- Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:44 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 831813
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
what are some other ways in which /ŋ/ could evolve? A few attested paths from Uralic for getting rid of *ŋ: (1) Vocalization Finnic: *ŋ > *w next to rounded vowels, *ŋ > ∅ otherwise Mordvinic: *ŋ > *w (> v) next to back vowels, *ŋ > j next to front vowels (2) POA changes Komi: *ŋ > m next to rounde...
- Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:23 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
- Replies: 988
- Views: 487692
Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
A version based on French: /(p) t k/ < p t c~qu /ᵐb ⁿd ᶮdʒ ᵑg/ < mb nd ndj ng~ngu > /m n ɲ ŋ/ < m n gn ng~ngu > /ɾ~ɾ̥~r~ɹ~l/ < l > /ɸ~β~f~v ð ʃ ɣ h/ < f dz ch r h > /w j/ < ou y~ll Vowels: /i e ɛ u o ɔ a/ < i é e ou au o a > /iː eː ɛː uː oː ɔː aː/ < ill ée ê oou aau ô â > Tone unmarked. /neᵑgomoɣane...
- Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:45 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 831813
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Does anyone know of substantiations/justifications of /q/ > /h/ occuring? Either direct or via an intermediary, or restricted to certain environs (I'm thinking word-finally is probably a sure bet). Proto-Malayo-Polynesian to Proto-Chamic and Proto-Malayo-Javanic. q → χ is attested in Abzhywa and so...
- Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:05 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: What language did the Bell Beaker people speak?
- Replies: 31
- Views: 16339
Re: What language did the Bell Beaker people speak?
Okay, that's probably true. Most of the sources I was looking at were probably sensationalised for the public. There are some likely examples of long-term accurate oral history, although there are many more counterexamples. I wasn't trying to imply that oral history was generally accurate or ever ex...
- Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:23 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: What language did the Bell Beaker people speak?
- Replies: 31
- Views: 16339
Re: What language did the Bell Beaker people speak?
"Little people" stories are found throughout the Austronesian world (even in Taiwan), so the specific 'ebu gogo' story found in Flores almost certainly has nothing more than a coincidental relationship to H. floresiensis True... looking into it with more depth, there are many more inconsi...
- Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:24 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: What language did the Bell Beaker people speak?
- Replies: 31
- Views: 16339
Re: What language did the Bell Beaker people speak?
I can't find any proven examples of oral histories referring to an extinct people Dorset ~ Tuniit. maybe also ebu gogo ~ Homo floresiensis do Greenlanders remember the Norse settlements? Oh right, of course. I knew about the Homo floresiensis example, but then forgot it... and for some reason I cou...
- Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:41 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: What language did the Bell Beaker people speak?
- Replies: 31
- Views: 16339
Re: What language did the Bell Beaker people speak?
I hadn't seen that... interesting. I'm not entirely persuaded but let's say they do remember. But, counterexamples: -- the Hebrews didn't remember that, in the period they were supposedly conquering Canaan, it was ruled by Egypt for hundreds of years -- the Vedic peoples didn't remember the Harappa...
- Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:35 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: The glebst of gleb, V2.0
- Replies: 110
- Views: 84237
Re: The glebst of gleb, V2.0
Regarding proto-Lakes Plain, Clouse says in his paper that : Although the phone [s] occurs in all of the languages, in no instance are there cognates where the reflex * s is chosed for all languages; * t is always chosen as the reflex in one or more of the languages, but not consistently in the same...
- Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:19 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: The glebst of gleb, V2.0
- Replies: 110
- Views: 84237
Re: The glebst of gleb, V2.0
Seed 1665396524 has the vowels /iː ɨː ɯː uː ɪ̈ː ɛː ʌː ɔː a aː/, i.e. all long apart from /a/. Probably happens in Austroasiatic somewhere - Vietnamese has a length contrast in only two vowels. Khasi and Dorig have the opposite system: the only long vowel is /a:/. But if this system actually existed...
- Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:15 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 831813
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Thanks for the help everyone. I'll probably end up having *ŋ reflected as /m/ and *k as /k/, realised as [p] before rounded vowels or consonants. I'd be suspicious of a sound change that completely removed the only velar for no strong reason.
- Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:26 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: The glebst of gleb, V2.0
- Replies: 110
- Views: 84237
Re: The glebst of gleb, V2.0
I generated some of these ages ago, but they're the glebst I've seen (all from the online version): Seed 1418999732 has /i ɯ u a ɒ/ in the vowels, which is quite wierd in itself, and /p t k/ for the consonants. Only /p t k/. Also one of only four I've found with eight phonemes. Seed 1321355092 has o...