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- Thu May 16, 2024 8:46 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
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Re: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
. (I also have a tenuous unstressed /u/ in some unstressed C_V such as in mutual that in careful speech is pronounced as a full vowel but readily becomes [w] in everyday speech.) That's not unusual in words with -ual ; in fact, some speakers can have no /w/ at all, making -ual and -ial homophones. ...
- Thu May 16, 2024 4:49 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
- Replies: 129
- Views: 334060
Re: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
sti is generally pronounced [stʃ], as in question, suggestion, Christian; his explanation for the [t] is that it remains "to avoid the juxtaposition of [s] and [ʃ]" — i generally have [ʃtʃ] in these words This goes back to the Old French pronunciation of Latin learnedisms adopted into Mid...
- Mon May 13, 2024 3:00 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
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Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
Likewise, ME /x/ either disappeared or turned into [f], outside Early Modern Scots, without a corresponding change of /k/. To be annoyingly late and pedantic, /x/ was also retained in the Yorkshire-Lancashire border area until very recently; the 1950-1961 Survey of English Dialects recorded light n...
- Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:44 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 276273
Re: Word evolution game
Dentalisation of labiodentals before front vowels (presumably through a apicolabial intermediate): ['ðœː.ʒæ] dhöžä "(to a woman of higher rank than oneself) Mrs., Ms.; (with titles of office) madam; (of judges, justices) your honour" Velar-palatal sequences become alveolo-palatals: ['d͡ʑo]...
- Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:02 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 276273
Re: Word evolution game
Rhoticity is lost, though not before lowering preceding vowels:
['vɞj.ja]
wéorle
‘(highly formal) mother; prime minister; madam, Mrs.’
['vɞj.ja]
wéorle
‘(highly formal) mother; prime minister; madam, Mrs.’
- Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:13 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 276273
Re: Word evolution game
[l] > [j] before non-back vowels:
['vɵ˞ː.jə]
wéorle
“mother; madam, Mrs.”
['vɵ˞ː.jə]
wéorle
“mother; madam, Mrs.”
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:08 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: English questions
- Replies: 1406
- Views: 450229
Re: English questions
Does anyone know anything about the variant /æt/ of that ? I have it and I have heard my daughter use it. And it clearly is not a variant of it to me; it feels like an allomorph of that rather than an independent word. The pronunciation of that as /at/ is common in Scots and the dialects of Norther...
- Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:21 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 276273
Re: Word evolution game
[ʎj] > [j]:
[jaːʃ]
gliáč
"wolf"
[jaːʃ]
gliáč
"wolf"
- Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:18 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Voiced fricatives in Germanic
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2337
Re: Voiced fricatives in Germanic
I see. I had wanted to add a summary of Lass's arguments but found I couldn't easily make one as he seems pretty uncertain too. I'm not sure whether I am inclined to defer to the mainstream in this case so I am curious about any other evidence that pertains to this. I'm not aware of anyone else who...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:51 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 276273
Re: Word evolution game
Final nasals velarise:
[’njɛ:k.kaŋ]
nnẹẹkkan
"she wolf"
[’njɛ:k.kaŋ]
nnẹẹkkan
"she wolf"
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:48 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Voiced fricatives in Germanic
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2337
Re: Voiced fricatives in Germanic
Isn't it clear that visible effects of a sound change in spelling can only provide a terminus ante quem , not a terminus post quem for the sound change? In modern German, word-initial [z] (in accents that have it) is represented by ⟨s⟩ up to the present. I based my previous message on Roger Lass's ...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:21 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 276273
Re: Word evolution game
Long vowels break:
[nθɛ̂ə̯]
nthæ42
[nθɛ̂ə̯]
nthæ42
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 3:25 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 276273
Re: Word evolution game
[j] is lost before front vowels:
[’nœ̄.ʂʰæ̂ː]
nyœ3thræ42
'bystander'
[’nœ̄.ʂʰæ̂ː]
nyœ3thræ42
'bystander'
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:24 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 276273
Re: Word evolution game
[ʃT] > [Tʰ]:
[’njœ̄.ʈʂʰæ̋ˀ]
nlœ3stræ’5
'bystander'
[’njœ̄.ʈʂʰæ̋ˀ]
nlœ3stræ’5
'bystander'
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:11 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Voiced fricatives in Germanic
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2337
Re: Voiced fricatives in Germanic
It has been argued that there was variation between dialects of Old English in the voicing of word-initial fricatives. I am personally sympathetic to this belief, but the mainstream view is that initial fricative voicing in the dialects of Southern England and the the south-western Midlands only oc...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 7:47 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 276273
Re: Word evolution game
[pɹ tɹ kɹ] > [ʈʂ]:
[’njœ̋.ʃʈʂæ̋ˀ]
nlœ5stræ’5
'bystander'
[’njœ̋.ʃʈʂæ̋ˀ]
nlœ5stræ’5
'bystander'
- Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:03 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 276273
Re: Word evolution game
Secondary stress is lost:
[ˈʁœ:qχœ]
Rødgrød
[ˈʁœ:qχœ]
Rødgrød
- Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:56 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Multiplex Word Evolution Game
- Replies: 199
- Views: 5683
Re: Multiplex Word Evolution Game
Diphthong and Long Vowel collapse: [oi̯ əi̯ ai̯ oː iː ɛ: au̯ əu̯ uː aː] merge to [ei̯ ei ei̯ ei ei ou̯ ou̯ ou̯ ou̯], with attempts at spelling reform, followed by a trend of hypercorrect spelling: A bit over the top IMHO (unless you're responding to my last turn, which I agree was a bit much too). ...
- Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:11 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Multiplex Word Evolution Game
- Replies: 199
- Views: 5683
Re: Multiplex Word Evolution Game
Simplfiication of the diphthong system; [uu̯ ii̯ ou̯ æi̯ aːi̯ ui̯] > [əu̯ əi̯ au̯ ai̯ oi̯ oi̯] in stressed syllables; [ii̯ ɛi̯ iu̯] all monophthongise in unstressed syllables: ['zoi̯s 'tɕaː.ə 'ni: 'doi̯ na 'ai̯] Záichs ciáche ní dui na ai ['tɕai̯.njoː.na 'pjai̯.ɕi 'jau̯ 'tɕai̯ na 'hu: ɾjau̯.mi] ciai...