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- Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:25 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
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Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
It's also a perfectly cromulent phrase for me, although I think I rarely use it myself, and I haven't lived in areas with much Scandinavian or German or whatever influence. I was born and grew up in eastern Massachusetts, though, which I see is in the ~4 range on the map, so I guess it fits, whateve...
- Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:15 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Replies: 4948
- Views: 2350995
Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Well, discontinuous phrases are classically one part of a "non-configurational language"; the other key elements are widespread (and always possible) null anaphora and "free" (in practice, pragmatically rather than syntactically determined) word order, at least for many elements....
- Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:44 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1412
- Views: 857696
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
It is actually future English! Though none of the modern-day /l/ survives to see the devoicing begin - that was the reason why I asked about the feasibility of losing /l/ twice earlier in the thread - so the /l/ that devoices actually comes from loanwords. Ah, gotcha. Perhaps I can have plosives+/ɬ...
- Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:44 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
- Replies: 3257
- Views: 2992715
Re: Conlang Random Thread
I agree; the greater compactness is a bit more aesthetically pleasing, I think.
- Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:25 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1412
- Views: 857696
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Just have different resolutions for some of the different clusters, like Nort said. So, for example, you can have Sl > tɬ, lS > ɬS, at least some of which > ɬ, as you planned. You can also have things like fricative+ɬ > ɬ. For example (IIRC this is a future English thing, so I'm using English exampl...
- Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:28 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.
- Replies: 263
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- Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:07 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 1858
- Views: 4990420
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
"Veto" vs "Plato" isn't a problem for me because I have a flap in both!
- Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:41 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 1858
- Views: 4990420
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
"Beethoven" with a flap (and to a lesser extent with non-initial primary stress) sounds really odd to me. I consistently pronounce it with [tʰ] but stress retained on the initial syllable. Now I'll have to pay more attention when other people say it...
- Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:50 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Replies: 4948
- Views: 2350995
Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
abso-fucking-lutely like in English Yeah, I actually considered mentioning the English "fucking" [etc.] infix construction. I will note that in English it's an infix and in Unami it's just an incorporated noun that goes into the available slot for incorporated nouns within Unami verbs. (W...
- Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:20 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1412
- Views: 857696
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Yeah, voicelessness can apparently spread really well sometimes, hence all my conlang diachronic shenanigans with devoicing. Yod becoming a postalveolar fricative during devoicing isn't unrealistic, is it? I just can't find any examples of it at all. Quite plausible. Rioplatense Spanish has basical...
- Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:51 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Replies: 4948
- Views: 2350995
Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Apparently one way of swearing in Unami Delaware was incorporation of scatological or similarly rude-ish roots into stems. For example: /kpənihəla/ "you fall" /hunti hu kpənʃːeːtːijehəla/! "pretty soon you'll fall the hell off!" (with incorporated -/ʃːeːtːije/- "anus") ...
- Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:23 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1412
- Views: 857696
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Yeah, voicelessness can apparently spread really well sometimes, hence all my conlang diachronic shenanigans with devoicing. Yod becoming a postalveolar fricative during devoicing isn't unrealistic, is it? I just can't find any examples of it at all. Quite plausible. Rioplatense Spanish has basical...
- Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:01 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Quick French question
- Replies: 11
- Views: 10977
Re: Quick French question
Hopefully you'll have better luck with Canadian speakers :) Not with LA French speakers, though. The most common realisation for both /ɲ/ and /nj/ is [j̃]. Sometimes the nasalisation is lost, as in manière , which in Vermilion is often pronounced [majæ(r)], particularly when used adverbially. There...
- Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:14 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1412
- Views: 857696
- Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:22 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1412
- Views: 857696
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Under what realistic conditions can fricatives become related stops (or nasals)? Examples: f → p, s → t, x → k. I want to get rid of most of the fricatives in my conlang somehow but I was told that an unconditional change into stops is very unlikely. You can get away with it, particularly with inte...
- Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:07 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1412
- Views: 857696
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Is it realistic with this sound change. The notation is: S is stressed syllable and s is unstressed syllable, then the unstressed syllable in SsS word doesn't get reduced but the first unstressed syllable in SssS vowel gets reduced? So the language tries as far as possible to have exactly one unstr...
- Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:20 pm
- Forum: Ephemera
- Topic: Tiffany problems
- Replies: 167
- Views: 185681
Re: Tiffany problems
Someone on the talk page has already pointed out that in context "cool" in the Collins quote means "bold, audacious" or the like, but apparently no one bothered to do anything about it. Etymonline dates "cool" in the positive slang sense to the 1930s-40s, apparently ori...
- Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:52 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: General things that can cause phonemes to be misheard as other phonemes
- Replies: 2
- Views: 3812
Re: General things that can cause phonemes to be misheard as other phonemes
This thread was prompted by this news story about an alleged incident on Wheel of Fortune where a contestant called D a couple times, but some fans allegedly claim she was instead calling B. I am not sure where it's coming from—did she labialize it more than a typical English speaker? Particularly ...
- Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:56 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1412
- Views: 857696
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Certainly. Though my instinct in this situation would be to skip the middle stage and just have the language borrow foreign /l/ as [n], [r], etc from the get-go. Can it still borrow /l/, though? There are a fair few languages with certain phonemes found only in borrowings, especially if the influen...
- Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:48 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1412
- Views: 857696
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Of course it's possible. Speakers don't know what sound changes happened in the language or what its phonemic inventory was before they were born, and even if they did somehow know this, why would that stop repeated losses of the same phoneme? Well, Wikipedia may be wrong. Of course, errors usually ...