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by Whimemsz
Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:25 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4948
Views: 2350995

Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread

It's also a perfectly cromulent phrase for me, although I think I rarely use it myself, and I haven't lived in areas with much Scandinavian or German or whatever influence. I was born and grew up in eastern Massachusetts, though, which I see is in the ~4 range on the map, so I guess it fits, whateve...
by Whimemsz
Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:15 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4948
Views: 2350995

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Well, discontinuous phrases are classically one part of a "non-configurational language"; the other key elements are widespread (and always possible) null anaphora and "free" (in practice, pragmatically rather than syntactically determined) word order, at least for many elements....
by Whimemsz
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:44 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1412
Views: 857696

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

It is actually future English! Though none of the modern-day /l/ survives to see the devoicing begin - that was the reason why I asked about the feasibility of losing /l/ twice earlier in the thread - so the /l/ that devoices actually comes from loanwords. Ah, gotcha. Perhaps I can have plosives+/ɬ...
by Whimemsz
Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:44 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang Random Thread
Replies: 3257
Views: 2992715

Re: Conlang Random Thread

I agree; the greater compactness is a bit more aesthetically pleasing, I think.
by Whimemsz
Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:25 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1412
Views: 857696

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Just have different resolutions for some of the different clusters, like Nort said. So, for example, you can have Sl > tɬ, lS > ɬS, at least some of which > ɬ, as you planned. You can also have things like fricative+ɬ > ɬ. For example (IIRC this is a future English thing, so I'm using English exampl...
by Whimemsz
Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:07 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 1858
Views: 4990420

Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread

"Veto" vs "Plato" isn't a problem for me because I have a flap in both!
by Whimemsz
Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:41 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 1858
Views: 4990420

Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread

"Beethoven" with a flap (and to a lesser extent with non-initial primary stress) sounds really odd to me. I consistently pronounce it with [tʰ] but stress retained on the initial syllable. Now I'll have to pay more attention when other people say it...
by Whimemsz
Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:50 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4948
Views: 2350995

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

abso-fucking-lutely like in English Yeah, I actually considered mentioning the English "fucking" [etc.] infix construction. I will note that in English it's an infix and in Unami it's just an incorporated noun that goes into the available slot for incorporated nouns within Unami verbs. (W...
by Whimemsz
Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:20 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1412
Views: 857696

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Yeah, voicelessness can apparently spread really well sometimes, hence all my conlang diachronic shenanigans with devoicing. Yod becoming a postalveolar fricative during devoicing isn't unrealistic, is it? I just can't find any examples of it at all. Quite plausible. Rioplatense Spanish has basical...
by Whimemsz
Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:51 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4948
Views: 2350995

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Apparently one way of swearing in Unami Delaware was incorporation of scatological or similarly rude-ish roots into stems. For example: /kpənihəla/ "you fall" /hunti hu kpənʃːeːtːijehəla/! "pretty soon you'll fall the hell off!" (with incorporated -/ʃːeːtːije/- "anus") ...
by Whimemsz
Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:23 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1412
Views: 857696

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Yeah, voicelessness can apparently spread really well sometimes, hence all my conlang diachronic shenanigans with devoicing. Yod becoming a postalveolar fricative during devoicing isn't unrealistic, is it? I just can't find any examples of it at all. Quite plausible. Rioplatense Spanish has basical...
by Whimemsz
Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:01 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Quick French question
Replies: 11
Views: 10977

Re: Quick French question

Hopefully you'll have better luck with Canadian speakers :) Not with LA French speakers, though. The most common realisation for both /ɲ/ and /nj/ is [j̃]. Sometimes the nasalisation is lost, as in manière , which in Vermilion is often pronounced [majæ(r)], particularly when used adverbially. There...
by Whimemsz
Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:14 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1412
Views: 857696

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

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by Whimemsz
Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:22 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1412
Views: 857696

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Under what realistic conditions can fricatives become related stops (or nasals)? Examples: f → p, s → t, x → k. I want to get rid of most of the fricatives in my conlang somehow but I was told that an unconditional change into stops is very unlikely. You can get away with it, particularly with inte...
by Whimemsz
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:07 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1412
Views: 857696

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Is it realistic with this sound change. The notation is: S is stressed syllable and s is unstressed syllable, then the unstressed syllable in SsS word doesn't get reduced but the first unstressed syllable in SssS vowel gets reduced? So the language tries as far as possible to have exactly one unstr...
by Whimemsz
Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:20 pm
Forum: Ephemera
Topic: Tiffany problems
Replies: 167
Views: 185681

Re: Tiffany problems

Someone on the talk page has already pointed out that in context "cool" in the Collins quote means "bold, audacious" or the like, but apparently no one bothered to do anything about it. Etymonline dates "cool" in the positive slang sense to the 1930s-40s, apparently ori...
by Whimemsz
Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:52 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: General things that can cause phonemes to be misheard as other phonemes
Replies: 2
Views: 3812

Re: General things that can cause phonemes to be misheard as other phonemes

This thread was prompted by this news story about an alleged incident on Wheel of Fortune where a contestant called D a couple times, but some fans allegedly claim she was instead calling B. I am not sure where it's coming from—did she labialize it more than a typical English speaker? Particularly ...
by Whimemsz
Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:56 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1412
Views: 857696

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Certainly. Though my instinct in this situation would be to skip the middle stage and just have the language borrow foreign /l/ as [n], [r], etc from the get-go. Can it still borrow /l/, though? There are a fair few languages with certain phonemes found only in borrowings, especially if the influen...
by Whimemsz
Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:48 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1412
Views: 857696

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Of course it's possible. Speakers don't know what sound changes happened in the language or what its phonemic inventory was before they were born, and even if they did somehow know this, why would that stop repeated losses of the same phoneme? Well, Wikipedia may be wrong. Of course, errors usually ...