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by bradrn
Wed May 15, 2024 12:48 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1406
Views: 447403

Re: English questions

I think it's a generalisation of 'I could have done that', which doesn't really make a lot of sense when one analyses it. This particular construction does make sense to me. You just need to notice that English modals don’t really have past tense forms — so if you want to place a modal in the past,...
by bradrn
Wed May 15, 2024 9:18 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang fluency thread
Replies: 2444
Views: 1481824

Re: Conlang fluency thread

Yu kip way Ingles sentms. You omitted the English sentence. At leuthes oʒsa atsʒen harthle bedruiccet, cens thasʒen aull ret? It also sounds rather depressing, are you feeling okay? :? Stili anwase we ni towraŋwgiŋ. (Nortaneous sof Hallow XIII ner rŋay ntaŋwarwoŋsesi.) [stiˈli.an.wa.se.we.ni tow.ra...
by bradrn
Wed May 15, 2024 7:28 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1406
Views: 447403

Re: English questions

"If I had had that cake, it wouldn't've gone mouldy" definitely works for me. This is just standard English, surely? So does "If I had've known, I wouldn't've eaten the cake" (only informally though). Combining those to make 4 only makes it a bit weirder. Maybe the key then is t...
by bradrn
Wed May 15, 2024 6:36 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1406
Views: 447403

Re: English questions

I think it's a generalisation of 'I could have done that', which doesn't really make a lot of sense when one analyses it. This particular construction does make sense to me. You just need to notice that English modals don’t really have past tense forms — so if you want to place a modal in the past,...
by bradrn
Wed May 15, 2024 6:33 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1406
Views: 447403

Re: English questions

But, on the other hand, the presence of -n’t seems to be key here: 3. ?? If I had not have had that cake, it would’ve gone mouldy. 4. * If I had have had that cake, it would’ve gone mouldy. Honestly 4 kinda works for me. Interesting… for me it’s completely ungrammatical, no uncertainty about it.
by bradrn
Wed May 15, 2024 4:39 am
Forum: Ephemera
Topic: War in the Middle East, again
Replies: 437
Views: 74560

Re: War in the Middle East, again

The idea is that given the situation, there's no place for anything but no holds barred condemnation of Israel and that nothing else will do in stopping Israel from doing what it's doing in Gaza, through pressure from world governments or pressure from world opinion or both. I could go on at some l...
by bradrn
Wed May 15, 2024 4:18 am
Forum: Ephemera
Topic: War in the Middle East, again
Replies: 437
Views: 74560

Re: War in the Middle East, again

Ares Land wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 3:47 am I didn't really see your point or Torco's and it's now much clearer.
Could you perhaps explain it to me, then? I still don’t really see how any of what they’re saying makes much sense.
by bradrn
Tue May 14, 2024 3:51 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: A scratchpad
Replies: 14
Views: 125

Re: A scratchpad

Was this by any chance inspired by the conversation with Ahzoh over on the Conlang Random Thread?
by bradrn
Tue May 14, 2024 3:49 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang Random Thread
Replies: 2984
Views: 2850207

Re: Conlang Random Thread

Yeah, so its single function is ‘object marking’. And similarly the single function of your nominative and ergative cases are ‘subject marking’. It just so happens that an intransitive argument can align as either ‘subject’ or ‘object’, depending on animacy. That is, what you have here is a split-i...
by bradrn
Tue May 14, 2024 3:42 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1406
Views: 447403

Re: English questions

Here’s a really interesting English sentence I was presented with recently: 1. If I hadn’t’ve had that cake, it would’ve gone mouldy. Neat find, and your initial syntactic analysis is good work. Not actually my find — it was someone else on Discord who presented me with it. Most of the syntactic an...
by bradrn
Tue May 14, 2024 12:05 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1406
Views: 447403

Re: English questions

This seems to actually be an area where my own dialect is syntactically distinct from Standard English, as when approximating Standard English I would never say anything resembling either version of mine, but rather would say: I would have never gotten my system cryptolocked if I had not downloaded...
by bradrn
Tue May 14, 2024 10:58 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1406
Views: 447403

Re: English questions

Other fun in this sort of department are things like: I'd've never've gotten my box cryptolocked if I hadn't've downloaded that "antivirus" program from that site. To me, this feels almost like aspectual agreement! It doesn’t work in my dialect, though: it feels very much like a feature o...
by bradrn
Tue May 14, 2024 8:58 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1406
Views: 447403

Re: English questions

As far as syntax goes, I remember reading that some linguists have proposed that the stigmatized use of "of" spellings in contexts like "You shouldn't of had that cake" represents an actual reinterpretation of the word, where it no longer functions synchronically as a reduced pr...
by bradrn
Tue May 14, 2024 8:54 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang Random Thread
Replies: 2984
Views: 2850207

Re: Conlang Random Thread

What? VSO is equally as head-initial as VOS, just that the object in VSO is decoupled from the verb. You are correct here. VSO and VOS are equally ‘head-initial’. I disagree, though I may well be in disagreement with current linguistic theory. In my opinion, verb + object = predicate, and a predica...
by bradrn
Tue May 14, 2024 6:51 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1406
Views: 447403

Re: English questions

Here’s a really interesting English sentence I was presented with recently: 1. If I hadn’t’ve had that cake, it would’ve gone mouldy. This flagrantly disobeys the English prohibition on modal stacking… but yet, it still seems acceptable to me (at least colloquially). Others seem to agree that it’s a...
by bradrn
Tue May 14, 2024 6:28 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4688
Views: 2061976

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

When Lithuanians sort lists in Lithuanian alphabetically, do they use the same order as dictionaries? I ask because I've seen evidence that some at least consider 'e' and 'ė' as as different as 's' and 'š' (definitely different letters when the brain is engaged), while happily disregarding ogoneks ...
by bradrn
Mon May 13, 2024 3:07 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Twin Aster
Replies: 307
Views: 259611

Re: Twin Aster

- Again, thanks to Janko, Proto-Macro-Jädewan : *¢órl ('(single) thing') *¢óst ( lit. 'two * ¢órl s') *erka̋ða̋ *êyor *ław *ḱälḱa̋ *¢órli¢óst *¢ósti¢óst *erka̋ða̋y¢óst *êyori¢óst Holy cent-signs batman! Strictly speaking, the correct Unicode character for the letter is ⟨ȼ⟩, with ⟨¢⟩ being reserved ...
by bradrn
Mon May 13, 2024 12:39 pm
Forum: Ephemera
Topic: War in the Middle East, again
Replies: 437
Views: 74560

Re: War in the Middle East, again

The solution to the Middle East conflict will not be found on Threads, or TikTok, or in the streets of any city that isn’t within a 2-hour car ride from downtown Jerusalem. street protests and popular disapproval of the whole thing were important in the dissolution of the south african apartheid re...
by bradrn
Mon May 13, 2024 12:28 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang Random Thread
Replies: 2984
Views: 2850207

Re: Conlang Random Thread

What’s more confusing is giving two names to what is essentially a single case with a single function. But it doesn't have a single function. In animate nouns, it marks only an object of a transitive, not a subject of a transitive or instransitive. In inanimate nouns, it marks both the object of a ...
by bradrn
Mon May 13, 2024 10:24 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang Random Thread
Replies: 2984
Views: 2850207

Re: Conlang Random Thread

The verb is the head of the phrase, not the subject. So, VSO or VOS word order. Yes, but the object is closer to the verb than the subject, so VOS makes it more head-initial than VSO. "Eating a peach" vs. "(Eating a peach) by me" (where "by" is the ergative). What? VSO...