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- Thu May 23, 2024 7:24 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
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Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
"Default" might be a better word here... I do agree that "me" etc. is the default form in English (and "moi" in French)! OK, ‘default’ is a far better word here. Then ‘marked-nominative languages’ might be better termed ‘default-accusative languages’, and so on. The ke...
- Thu May 23, 2024 5:13 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Replies: 4708
- Views: 2065445
Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Starting with the most important point first: You'd probably have to explain what notion of markedness you're using. To me the form used in clefting and emphasis would be more rather than less marked. (Note that in French the clefted/emphatic form is different from both nom. and acc. pronouns.) Esse...
- Thu May 23, 2024 3:58 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Replies: 4708
- Views: 2065445
Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Even English is arguably marked-nominative. How so? Basically, what Glass Half Baked said: Citation form for the pronouns is the object series: me , us , them , etc. The object series is used after prepositions The object series is used for emphatic subjects and topics The object series is used aft...
- Wed May 22, 2024 5:53 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Replies: 4708
- Views: 2065445
Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Got some inspiration: reflexive markers. They only refer to the subject. So if the word order in a reflexive clause is fixed to S REFL V (and reflexion is doubly marked), that could over time be interpreted as S=NOM V, after other case suffixes have appeared. Finally, the nominative enclitic would ...
- Wed May 22, 2024 6:51 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Resources Thread
- Replies: 91
- Views: 70272
Re: Resources Thread
This is quite an interesting resource: 𝓔𝓿𝓸Sem, a database of diachronic semantic change. Could be enormously useful for my conlanging!
- Wed May 22, 2024 4:47 am
- Forum: End Matter
- Topic: The Index Diachronica
- Replies: 221
- Views: 383628
Re: The Index Diachronica
That sounds like a good idea. Great, then I’ll implement it when I get time. Please badger me to do this with all the families I've done so far. No need: I’m working from the same papers, so I can add the examples myself. The rest of the suggestions I fully support but they sound more like coding p...
- Tue May 21, 2024 4:51 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Replies: 4708
- Views: 2065445
Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
The World Lexicon of Grammaticalization is strangely mum on the issue. Probably because nominative markers aren’t hugely common in the first place. In many nominative-accusative languages, the nominative is formally unmarked. I can’t recall ever seeing a discussion of the origin of explicit nominat...
- Tue May 21, 2024 12:39 pm
- Forum: End Matter
- Topic: The Index Diachronica
- Replies: 221
- Views: 383628
Re: The Index Diachronica
Today the ID came up in the course of a discussion I had with Alexandre François (who I hope won’t mind me mentioning his feedback here). He seemed very interested — in fact he said it’s an idea he’s contemplated before, due to how useful it would be. He found even the old ID impressive, especially ...
- Sat May 18, 2024 2:20 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
- Replies: 3024
- Views: 2853260
Re: Conlang Random Thread
There’s formal markedness, and then there’s functional markedness. I wonder how they determine "least marked" in languages without null marking, like, say, Akkadian, where nom is -u, -acc is -a and gen is -i. It comes down to, essentially: which case is chosen when none in particular appl...
- Sat May 18, 2024 5:32 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang fluency thread
- Replies: 2471
- Views: 1483957
Re: Conlang fluency thread
[…] at giare wi scien, gis Ȝ i sannen ceike wel asammen the anner lettrer sam wi ha them? […] does yogh really look good alongside the other letters as we have them? Type rnos towaŋkbuy! Sey: [‘type’ ʒnos to.waŋ.kbuj | sej] type r-nos to-wa·m·kbuy! sey type ACC-that.ANA DEF.SG-AUX·AUX·different! li...
- Sat May 18, 2024 4:53 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
- Replies: 3024
- Views: 2853260
Re: Conlang Random Thread
Firstly, ‘split-ergative’ is a dreadfully imprecise term covering many different alignment systems. Secondly, there’s also the direct–inverse subsystem to consider. imprecise to people who spend all day splitting hairs. For me and possibly lay people, the term is enough to convey "syntactic or...
- Fri May 17, 2024 7:14 pm
- Forum: Ephemera
- Topic: Venting thread
- Replies: 1940
- Views: 15029646
Re: Venting thread
In fairness to you, ‘this listing is an elaborate scam’ is not necessarily a possibility you’re considering. If anything, I commend you on picking it up before anything bad happened!doctor shark wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 7:09 pm I feel a bit like a fool for not noticing these things earlier...
- Fri May 17, 2024 7:12 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
- Replies: 3024
- Views: 2853260
Re: Conlang Random Thread
It's split-ergative. The only difference is that the accusative and absolutive share a morpheme instead of the nominative and absolutive sharing a morpheme. Firstly, ‘split-ergative’ is a dreadfully imprecise term covering many different alignment systems. Secondly, there’s also the direct–inverse ...
- Fri May 17, 2024 5:30 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
- Replies: 3024
- Views: 2853260
Re: Conlang Random Thread
I'm not sure what the name of the alignment is, but there's got to be a name somewhere. (I personally like this alignment and have a tendency to use it, alongside direct-inverse marking, in my languages.) I’m tempted to call it the ‘Conlanger Inverse System’… If I call the absolutive an accusative ...
- Fri May 17, 2024 4:52 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang fluency thread
- Replies: 2471
- Views: 1483957
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Emmin ceiks the ʒouk letter sam ei latin letter. At least the ezh letter looks like a Latin letter. Yogh nib butowa-Latin-ndo aŋ! [joɡ.nib bu.to.wa.laˈtin.ndo.aŋ] yogh nib bu-to-wa·Latin-ndo aŋ yogh FOC.CONTR but-DEF.SG-AUX·Latin-more INT But yogh is even more Latin! Meir latin? Tha ska kanner fork...
- Fri May 17, 2024 4:29 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
- Replies: 3024
- Views: 2853260
Re: Conlang Random Thread
(Re Ahzoh and jal’s later posts, I’m still trying to marshal my thoughts on them. I do still mean to reply to them.) So, this is what my table would have to look like in order to be consistent with your analysis while avoiding unnecessary empty cells: […] It's not very pleasant compared to the my o...
- Fri May 17, 2024 12:40 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
- Replies: 132
- Views: 66799
Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
/b x t x d x c x k x q x / b' t' d' c' k' q' By the way, what are those x 's supposed to signify? I tried looking up the extIPA for those but the page I got on the Wiki rendered much of such things as blocks. I interpret them as simply heterorganic affricates — e.g. [tx] is attested in Navajo.
- Fri May 17, 2024 12:38 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: bradrn’s scratchpad
- Replies: 121
- Views: 80637
Re: bradrn’s scratchpad
Why the term Adnominal rather than Determiner for that particular series? Just curious ‘Determiner‘ in IE grammar generally refers to a syntactic slot which can be filled by a whole range of different items: articles, demonstratives, possessives, quantifiers, etc. Eŋes doesn’t have any single slot ...
- Fri May 17, 2024 5:42 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang fluency thread
- Replies: 2471
- Views: 1483957
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Yogh nib butowa-Latin-ndo aŋ!
[joɡ.nib bu.to.wa.laˈtin.ndo.aŋ]
yogh nib bu-to-wa·Latin-ndo aŋ
yogh FOC.CONTR but-DEF.SG-AUX·Latin-more INT
But yogh is even more Latin!
- Fri May 17, 2024 4:16 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: bradrn’s scratchpad
- Replies: 121
- Views: 80637
Re: bradrn’s scratchpad
Why the term Adnominal rather than Determiner for that particular series? Just curious ‘Determiner‘ in IE grammar generally refers to a syntactic slot which can be filled by a whole range of different items: articles, demonstratives, possessives, quantifiers, etc. Eŋes doesn’t have any single slot ...