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- Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:46 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
- Replies: 3065
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Re: Conlang Random Thread
Also, how to design a conlang that sounds energetic and happy-go-lucky. I'm not sure there even is one way of doing this, to be honest - I would second linguistcat in saying that it all depends on your personal sound symbolism. And I would think that something which is 'energetic and happy-go-lucky...
- Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:08 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Critique Thread
- Replies: 61
- Views: 50468
Re: Sound Change Critique Thread
While /k'/ is the most common ejective, It is unusual for a language not to have ejective affricate. In fact, many languages have just /k'/ and ejective affricates. While /p'/ tends to merge with /p/, /t'/ tends to be affricated. That's interesting! I always thought that ejective affricatives were ...
- Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:50 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Critique Thread
- Replies: 61
- Views: 50468
Re: Sound Change Critique Thread
Ah, thanks for alerting me to those typos! They are fixed now. The reason there are only voiceless geminates is because they actually descend from an earlier 'fortis' series, which contrasted with the plain voiceless obstruents as well as the voiced ones. In some dialects they were realized as ejec...
- Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:17 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Critique Thread
- Replies: 61
- Views: 50468
Re: Sound Change Critique Thread
As can be seen above, I'm probably not the best person to review sound changes. But I still have a few questions/clarifications: Old Northwest Shorzhic p t ts tʃ tɕ k pː tː tsː tʃː tɕː kː b d dz dʒ dʑ g ɸ s ʃ ɕ x h ɸː sː β z ʒ ʑ ɣ m n ŋ r l j w i iː u oː ɛ eː ɐ ɐː ɔ oː a aː ɛi ɔu ai au ɔi ɐu The nas...
- Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:07 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: A little reconstruction game
- Replies: 86
- Views: 40191
Re: A little reconstruction game
ʔɐɪ ~ ɔɪd- ~ əː- ~ æɪtʃ < Eng. eat m̊ɐɪ ~ mɔɪd ~ məːt ~ moɪ < Eng. meat vaːðɛːɾæ ~ βɑʒɪteɾjɪː ~ βäːtsəɾn ~ ʋɑːʃɛɾ < Eng. vegetarian A: ʔeːse ɾɛɸɐɪ wæ ʔaː ʒæ sɑ vuːɾ < ? repeat what I just (said?) (before??) B: ɾɛpɔɪd nɑʊ wäd æɪð sɑð < repeat now what I'[d/ve] said C: ɾɛpəːt dʒi nə: wæt æɪd säd ɜt <...
- Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:48 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 832596
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
That's Sampa. A lot of people just don't want to spend any extra effort to type IPA. That makes sense. I checked X-SAMPA, but I didn't think to check the original SAMPA. (The {: confused me because I didn't realise the : was a diacritic, so I was looking for {: as a single vowel.) So translating: /...
- Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:36 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 832596
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Well the world's your oyster. Any one of these, or conceivably more than one depending on the vowel sequence, might happen. There are probably other processes that could happen that I'm not thinking of, too. Vowel deletion (with or without compensatory lengthening): **gaʔen → *gaen → ga(ː)n, ge(ː)n...
- Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:42 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: A little reconstruction game
- Replies: 86
- Views: 40191
Re: A little reconstruction game
From earlier, we had this issue: General transcription issue: I'm a colossal idiot. You're quite right, /ʋ/ is a labiodental approximant and is not what I intended in the slightest. Well, not exactly. Where you see /ʋ/, just imagine a /ʉ/ instead (or indeed a /ʉ̞/ would be a bit more accurate, but t...
- Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:10 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Quechua book poll
- Replies: 15
- Views: 8823
Re: Quechua book poll
I have grammars of Aymara and Jaqaru, so I could include information about them. That would be quite interesting too - I've heard they have some fascinating morphophonology. As mentioned on the Arrakum thread on the old board : There is a great deal of fuckery with vowel moras in Arrakum. This is d...
- Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:00 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 832596
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
There are many, many examples of inflectional morphology which is irregular or fusional. However, it seems to be fairly rare to have any sort of irregularity in productive derivational morphology (although admittedly I don't have any source for this). Why is this? Do sound changes not affect derivat...
- Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:10 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 832596
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Well, conlanging is an art. Experiment. Try different combinations. Be creative and play with something wacky that's *gasp* unattested in a natural language. Choose the processes that lead to outcomes you find personally appealing, or go with them all and make a language family. Read grammars of la...
- Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:05 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 832596
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Let's say I have a language where vowels are not allowed to be next to each other (is there a technical term for that?); that is, no diphthongs or hiatuses. However, there is a glottal stop, so e.g. /gaʔen/ is allowed. If glottal stops are lost intervocalically (which seems fairly reasonable), what...
- Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:02 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 832596
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Let's say I have a language where vowels are not allowed to be next to each other (is there a technical term for that?); that is, no diphthongs or hiatuses. However, there is a glottal stop, so e.g. /gaʔen/ is allowed. If glottal stops are lost intervocalically (which seems fairly reasonable), what ...
- Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:56 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
- Replies: 3065
- Views: 2892873
Re: Conlang Random Thread
The abstract mechanics of my conscript have developed nicely, but I have no idea what the script should actually look like. Despite my best efforts, I cannot find any inspiration. Have a look at Ian James's scripts ; they're exceptionally good. Mattias Persson has made a lot of scripts as well. Omn...
- Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:59 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Critique Thread
- Replies: 61
- Views: 50468
Re: Sound Change Critique Thread
I think I'll end up doing this: p b t d k ɡ > f v s z x ɣ / V_V Leave as-is x ɣ > j Leave as-is w > v / V_C or V_# Leave as-is æ e i ɯ > e i ɨ ɨ Leave as-is ej > i / _# Leave as-is i > ɨ / j_ or _j Leave as-is s z > ʃ ʒ / _i Modify to include affricatives: s z t͡s d͡z > ʃ ʒ t͡ʃ d͡ʒ consonants next t...
- Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:46 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Critique Thread
- Replies: 61
- Views: 50468
Re: Sound Change Critique Thread
Is it more realistic to turn payt͡se > pat͡ʃːe or peːtse instead? Sorry, that was a typo: I meant pajt͡se > pajːe. That's not what I meant. I mean, Is it more realistic to turn pajt͡se > pat͡ʃːe or peːtse instead? \ Possibly that's true. Really, the problem is that I don't know what natlangs do in ...
- Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:55 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Agreement with the patient, but not the agent
- Replies: 9
- Views: 7681
Re: Agreement with the patient, but not the agent
If I'm understanding right, in both of those cases you don't get the object marker on the verb if there's a separate pronominal object. That makes them look more like weak pronouns or clitics than like agreement affixes, imo. (My impression is that it's very common for pronominal clitics to get mis...
- Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:18 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Quechua book poll
- Replies: 15
- Views: 8823
Re: Quechua book poll
A bit of a bug... it looks like you can vote twice. On the other hand, I can't vote for three options at once, which at least shows that that bit of code is working properly. EDIT: Oh - looks like that when you vote twice it removes your previous vote before it adds your current vote, so it's not a ...
- Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:07 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Agreement with the patient, but not the agent
- Replies: 9
- Views: 7681
Re: Agreement with the patient, but not the agent
WALS lists sources for each language; from their Khoekhoe source, I managed to find the following rigorous description: At the end of any verb which is not intransitive, there may occur a patient suffix. Semantically, all patient suffixes indicate who or what is the "immediate patient" of ...
- Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:41 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Critique Thread
- Replies: 61
- Views: 50468
Re: Sound Change Critique Thread
Is it more realistic to turn payt͡se > pat͡ʃːe or peːtse instead? Sorry, that was a typo: I meant pajt͡se > pajːe. Also, never in my mind this change is good: hat.su > hat.tu. It's more likely to turn into this instead hat.su > ha.t͡su or hat.t͡su. This language doesn't distinguish /hat.su/ and /ha...