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- Tue May 07, 2024 2:19 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
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Re: Conlang Random Thread
I must emphasize that if there is to be any temporal references, it is between future and non-future, not past and non-past. Sure, but your counterfactual seems decidedly +past. The realis can be marked in the apodosis, for matters involving implication (there are hoofprints here, so there must be ...
- Tue May 07, 2024 12:10 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
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Re: Conlang Random Thread
The irrealis is typically future-orientated while the counterfactual is nonfuture -orientated. So the distinction in the protasis makes sense. Yet, they (at least the irrealis) don't have to refer to time at all. Or, rather, the irrealis is far less tied to temporality than the counterfactual. So i...
- Tue May 07, 2024 10:59 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
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Re: Conlang Random Thread
Well yes, but I could just as much mark it in the irrealis mood since the irrealis deals with unrealized or nonactual events. So what for you is the difference between "counterfactual" and "unrealized/nonactual"? Seems to me that semantically these are very close, if not the sam...
- Tue May 07, 2024 5:42 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
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Re: Conlang Random Thread
So that is why I don't know whether the condition clause is supposed to be marked counterfactual or if it's the consequence clause, or both. I don't know the psycholinguostics or formal logic or semantic theories or whatever is involved. "Condition clause" and "consequence clause&quo...
- Fri May 03, 2024 8:28 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Replies: 4682
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- Fri May 03, 2024 3:12 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
- Replies: 2957
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- Fri May 03, 2024 3:11 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
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Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
I am kind of proud of speaking dialect everywhere I can, to be honest. (It is your own fault for not understanding Milwaukee dialect I'm all for it :mrgreen: I feel like it is unfortunate that many people elsewhere think that they must speak a standard variety, which is why we have things like trad...
- Thu May 02, 2024 9:23 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
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- Thu May 02, 2024 9:22 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
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Re: Conlang Random Thread
but grammars tend to converge anyway, because this is less obvious to the speakers themselves. Iirc there's an African(?) city where two languages are spoken that have almost no shared vocabulary, but almost identical grammar. Can't recall which city, unfortunately, and a quick google doesn't show ...
- Wed May 01, 2024 5:11 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
- Replies: 2957
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Re: Conlang Random Thread
No, because that's not how language contact works. Vocabulary is in most situations the easiest thing to change. I'm going to disagree by proxy. I've read that there's two situations in which languages might influence each other. The first is contact where speakers of language A have contact with s...
- Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:40 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang fluency thread
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Re: Conlang fluency thread
Wow! Did you already translate six chapters? That's a lot of work! Me mek, an ye, olip wohk fo so :D I did, and yes, quite some work :D. (And I need to revisit the older chapters, as I started about five years ago, and the grammar has been changed an augmented, though most will still be ok. But tha...
- Thu Apr 25, 2024 2:23 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang fluency thread
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- Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:57 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
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Re: Conlang Random Thread
I can't think of thousands of years of sound changes. I also have to start from somewhere, so some things are lost to the vagaries of time. Also, thousands of years are enough to change about any sound into another. Given levelling of irragularities over time, I think you can get away fine with a r...
- Sat Apr 20, 2024 11:11 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
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- Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:45 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Replies: 4682
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Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
How did the Chancery Standard (the basis for modern Standard English) come into being? Was it based on some specific dialect, spoken in a specific region? According to Wikipedia: The Chancery Standard of written English emerged c. 1430 in official documents that, since the Norman Conquest, had norm...
- Thu Apr 11, 2024 11:21 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
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- Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:59 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
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Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
The pattern of traditional Central German dialects is to have fricatives instead of voiceless stops for StG /b g/ in many cases (which is reflected in StG by the standard pronunciation of - ig and in informal writing by things like writing Tag as Tach ). I must've confused them with Upper Saxon. As...
- Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:32 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
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- Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:31 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Replies: 4682
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Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
So what may have happened is this: When Germanic peoples had conquered what is now southern Germany, Austria and Switzerland, the Vulgar Latin speakers, in adopting the language of their new overlords, identified the Germanic voiced stops not with their own voiced stops but with their voiceless one...
- Mon Apr 01, 2024 2:04 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
- Replies: 2957
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Re: Conlang Random Thread
Had some more fun with ChatGPT yesterday. Wrote a concise conlang grammar and some vocab, then asked ChatGPT to translate English sentences. It's amazing what it can do, but also where it fails. For example, if you do not explicitly state what a vowel is, it assumes no letters are vowels, apparently...