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- Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:27 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.
- Replies: 263
- Views: 166032
Re: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.
As I think I mentioned last thread already, Uralic *d just has very few IE correspondences at all, and some semantically good-looking cases don't offer any regularity: #śedäm ~ *ḱerd- 'heart', *edə- ~ *h₂ant- 'front' (well, both have an *RT cluster in IE, but *nt ~ *nt would seem more expected). one...
- Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:54 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
- Replies: 1043
- Views: 1095137
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
Meta-answer: 'cos it's Wild Speculation and not hole-poking-proofed ¯\_(ッ)_/¯Akangka wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:32 amWhy do it affect P instead of B?Tropylium wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:07 am I near-shitposted about a "prosodic" reconstruction on Tumblr about a year back, dunno if any of you are thinking about this though.
- Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:07 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
- Replies: 1043
- Views: 1095137
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
I near-shitposted about a "prosodic" reconstruction on Tumblr about a year back , dunno if any of you are thinking about this though. However you have a problem reconciling this with Germanic - a suprasegmental which produces aspiration in Greek and Indo-Aryan and is lost elsewhere also so...
- Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:51 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 832974
- Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:57 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Syntax borrowing
- Replies: 26
- Views: 14818
Re: Syntax borrowing
Ethiosemitic is a much deeper and more diverse branch of the family than many people realise, to the extent that it might actually be better to posit the PS Urheimat in the horn of Africa No, not really. Ethiosemitic probably does have more diversity than any other clear group within of Semitic, bu...
- Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:33 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.
- Replies: 263
- Views: 166032
- Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:28 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.
- Replies: 263
- Views: 166032
Re: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.
If you can first prove that Kurukh-Malto is a branch coordinate with all of the others, rather than just a third-order descendant, then you can propose that the sound change only happened once. Are you prepared to delve into the arguments required to prove that? This is shifting the burden of proof...
- Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:23 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Shortest words for basic concepts
- Replies: 67
- Views: 54773
Re: Shortest words for basic concepts
Chroneme as a distinct phoneme is not a universal analysis; chroneme as a segment even less (similar to the Thai issue above). Even if you do subscribe to that, monosyllabic content words do not have a contrast between [V] and [Vː], and they could be analyzed as /CV/ with length being predictable… C...
- Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:02 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Shortest words for basic concepts
- Replies: 67
- Views: 54773
Re: Shortest words for basic concepts
Finnish is not going to be faring well in this race most of the time, but an arguably two-phoneme pii for 'silicon' could be tough to beat.
- Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:57 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.
- Replies: 263
- Views: 166032
Re: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.
When you have a lot of languages with a common ancestor, you can argue by appeal to consensus, at least once internal family structure has been worked out. When you only have two languages to compare, it's much harder. If Anatolian has a feature LPIE doesn't, did it innovate it, or retain it? If it...
- Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:02 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.
- Replies: 263
- Views: 166032
Re: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.
It also seems to me that Proto-Eskimo-Aleut suffers from a similar problem as Proto-Chukotko-Kamchatkan: it is basically Proto-Eskimo with some fudging to get Aleut to comply with it. On that note, you might be interested in the Comparative EA Collection from Alaska Native Language Archive (recentl...
- Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:56 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Imminent language death of Icelandic
- Replies: 46
- Views: 29637
Re: Imminent language death of Icelandic
This sure sounds like imminent loss of prestige, but starting from healthy and assuming it's all language shift rather than speakers literally being killed off, languages take a good while to really die after even thorough marginalization. There are minority languages that were observed to be at > 1...
- Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:01 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.
- Replies: 263
- Views: 166032
Re: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.
While IE and Uralic are geographically closer to each other than to other "Mitian" languages (if we assume, as most linguists do, that Turkic, the next closest neighbour, originated somewhere around the Altai mountains), but that still of course does not mean that they are most closely re...
- Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:19 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Things Decided for Stupid Reasons
- Replies: 86
- Views: 62190
Re: Things Decided for Stupid Reasons
My "favorite stupid" transcription for /ŋ/ is ɳ , which is for some reason common in Hungary. I believe this is derived as a mis-Latinization of η , which was often used as a substitute for the proper thing. Today Unicode also has Latin Ƞ ƞ though, probably for some recently-written langua...
- Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:56 am
- Forum: Ephemera
- Topic: ZBB Census 2018
- Replies: 89
- Views: 130102
Re: ZBB Census 2018
LGBTQI+ me and half the board Huh, I indeed count about 50% so far, and that's without subtracting replies that have no info either way. The LGBTQ lean in linguistics is a known phenomenon, but over here it seems still stronger yet than IRL. (No especial concentration of lefthanded Lithuanians visi...
- Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:28 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Words You've Learned Recently
- Replies: 56
- Views: 51962
- Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:56 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Words You've Learned Recently
- Replies: 56
- Views: 51962
Re: Words You've Learned Recently
An English monosyllable for once (for those who care about them):
flense v. 'to strip off blubber from the body of a marine mammal'
flense v. 'to strip off blubber from the body of a marine mammal'
- Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:55 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: The 'Is this attested?' Thread
- Replies: 51
- Views: 32458
Re: The 'Is this attested?' Thread
Nouns in my current proto-language inflect for class and number, quite a lot of classes as in Bantu languages. I also quite like the prefixal shape of them but I had an idea that the root word that gets inflected has sort of "slots" for lack of a better term, where placement of the class/...
- Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:27 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Hmmm...
- Replies: 33
- Views: 18879
Re: Hmmm...
I'm not sure where there is anything geminate in here. Also, have you explained anywhere what your third declension in general looks like? (Certainly not in this thread so far.) Taking a wild guess, you perhaps mean that (1) you want to retain a moraic v in your adjective for 'military', but (2) you...
- Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:34 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 832974
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
I'm trying to get from strictly CV to CRV without vowel drops, onomatopoeias or borrowings. Doesn't seem like the most probable thing to happen (clusters almost always come from vowel drops). Dipthongizations could readily give you CjV CwV though, and these could then dissimilate etc. to yield some...