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by Tropylium
Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:27 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.
Replies: 263
Views: 166032

Re: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.

As I think I mentioned last thread already, Uralic *d just has very few IE correspondences at all, and some semantically good-looking cases don't offer any regularity: #śedäm ~ *ḱerd- 'heart', *edə- ~ *h₂ant- 'front' (well, both have an *RT cluster in IE, but *nt ~ *nt would seem more expected). one...
by Tropylium
Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:54 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
Replies: 1043
Views: 1095137

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel

Akangka wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:32 am
Tropylium wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:07 am I near-shitposted about a "prosodic" reconstruction on Tumblr about a year back, dunno if any of you are thinking about this though.
Why do it affect P instead of B?
Meta-answer: 'cos it's Wild Speculation and not hole-poking-proofed ¯\_(ッ)_/¯
by Tropylium
Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:07 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
Replies: 1043
Views: 1095137

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel

I near-shitposted about a "prosodic" reconstruction on Tumblr about a year back , dunno if any of you are thinking about this though. However you have a problem reconciling this with Germanic - a suprasegmental which produces aspiration in Greek and Indo-Aryan and is lost elsewhere also so...
by Tropylium
Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:51 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1333
Views: 832974

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Akangka wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:01 amAs gw -> ɣw, it's not possible without g -> ɣ.
Latin shifts *gw to /w/ except after a nasal (e.g. veniō, vīvus, vorō) but retains /g/.
by Tropylium
Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:57 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Syntax borrowing
Replies: 26
Views: 14818

Re: Syntax borrowing

Ethiosemitic is a much deeper and more diverse branch of the family than many people realise, to the extent that it might actually be better to posit the PS Urheimat in the horn of Africa No, not really. Ethiosemitic probably does have more diversity than any other clear group within of Semitic, bu...
by Tropylium
Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:33 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.
Replies: 263
Views: 166032

Re: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.

Pabappa wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:04 pmoriginally, I bumped this post as a favor to mae, as I saw it had been buried on the last page with no replies. I wont do that anymore.
I dunno, you seem to have been successful in sparking some conversation in the process.
by Tropylium
Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:28 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.
Replies: 263
Views: 166032

Re: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.

If you can first prove that Kurukh-Malto is a branch coordinate with all of the others, rather than just a third-order descendant, then you can propose that the sound change only happened once. Are you prepared to delve into the arguments required to prove that? This is shifting the burden of proof...
by Tropylium
Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:23 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Shortest words for basic concepts
Replies: 67
Views: 54773

Re: Shortest words for basic concepts

Chroneme as a distinct phoneme is not a universal analysis; chroneme as a segment even less (similar to the Thai issue above). Even if you do subscribe to that, monosyllabic content words do not have a contrast between [V] and [Vː], and they could be analyzed as /CV/ with length being predictable… C...
by Tropylium
Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:02 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Shortest words for basic concepts
Replies: 67
Views: 54773

Re: Shortest words for basic concepts

Finnish is not going to be faring well in this race most of the time, but an arguably two-phoneme pii for 'silicon' could be tough to beat.
by Tropylium
Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:57 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.
Replies: 263
Views: 166032

Re: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.

When you have a lot of languages with a common ancestor, you can argue by appeal to consensus, at least once internal family structure has been worked out. When you only have two languages to compare, it's much harder. If Anatolian has a feature LPIE doesn't, did it innovate it, or retain it? If it...
by Tropylium
Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:02 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.
Replies: 263
Views: 166032

Re: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.

It also seems to me that Proto-Eskimo-Aleut suffers from a similar problem as Proto-Chukotko-Kamchatkan: it is basically Proto-Eskimo with some fudging to get Aleut to comply with it. On that note, you might be interested in the Comparative EA Collection from Alaska Native Language Archive (recentl...
by Tropylium
Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:56 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Imminent language death of Icelandic
Replies: 46
Views: 29637

Re: Imminent language death of Icelandic

This sure sounds like imminent loss of prestige, but starting from healthy and assuming it's all language shift rather than speakers literally being killed off, languages take a good while to really die after even thorough marginalization. There are minority languages that were observed to be at > 1...
by Tropylium
Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:01 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.
Replies: 263
Views: 166032

Re: The Great Macrofamily thread: Indo-Uralic, Altaic, Eurasiatic, Nostratic etc.

While IE and Uralic are geographically closer to each other than to other "Mitian" languages (if we assume, as most linguists do, that Turkic, the next closest neighbour, originated somewhere around the Altai mountains), but that still of course does not mean that they are most closely re...
by Tropylium
Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:19 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Things Decided for Stupid Reasons
Replies: 86
Views: 62190

Re: Things Decided for Stupid Reasons

My "favorite stupid" transcription for /ŋ/ is ɳ , which is for some reason common in Hungary. I believe this is derived as a mis-Latinization of η , which was often used as a substitute for the proper thing. Today Unicode also has Latin Ƞ ƞ though, probably for some recently-written langua...
by Tropylium
Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:56 am
Forum: Ephemera
Topic: ZBB Census 2018
Replies: 89
Views: 130102

Re: ZBB Census 2018

LGBTQI+ me and half the board Huh, I indeed count about 50% so far, and that's without subtracting replies that have no info either way. The LGBTQ lean in linguistics is a known phenomenon, but over here it seems still stronger yet than IRL. (No especial concentration of lefthanded Lithuanians visi...
by Tropylium
Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:28 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Words You've Learned Recently
Replies: 56
Views: 51962

Re: Words You've Learned Recently

Zaarin wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:32 pm
Tropylium wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:56 pm An English monosyllable for once (for those who care about them):
flense v. 'to strip off blubber from the body of a marine mammal'
I learned that word thanks to Sue Harrison.
My credits are to Michael Fortescue.
by Tropylium
Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:56 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Words You've Learned Recently
Replies: 56
Views: 51962

Re: Words You've Learned Recently

An English monosyllable for once (for those who care about them):
flense v. 'to strip off blubber from the body of a marine mammal'
by Tropylium
Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:55 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: The 'Is this attested?' Thread
Replies: 51
Views: 32458

Re: The 'Is this attested?' Thread

Nouns in my current proto-language inflect for class and number, quite a lot of classes as in Bantu languages. I also quite like the prefixal shape of them but I had an idea that the root word that gets inflected has sort of "slots" for lack of a better term, where placement of the class/...
by Tropylium
Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:27 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Hmmm...
Replies: 33
Views: 18879

Re: Hmmm...

I'm not sure where there is anything geminate in here. Also, have you explained anywhere what your third declension in general looks like? (Certainly not in this thread so far.) Taking a wild guess, you perhaps mean that (1) you want to retain a moraic v in your adjective for 'military', but (2) you...
by Tropylium
Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:34 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1333
Views: 832974

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

I'm trying to get from strictly CV to CRV without vowel drops, onomatopoeias or borrowings. Doesn't seem like the most probable thing to happen (clusters almost always come from vowel drops). Dipthongizations could readily give you CjV CwV though, and these could then dissimilate etc. to yield some...