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/pɑmər/? I've only ever heard /pɔlmər/. Now this surprises me. I can only recall hearing the former (well, its non-rhotic equivalent). [ɑm] in -alm words has mostly been reverted by spelling pronunciation, but I'm a little surprised it ever existed in "Palmer" - unlike the l-less pronunci...

Not a specific word, but rather some phonemes. What specific articulation are your coronals? Maybe /r/ as well but that's barely coronal. I'd be interested in any languages, but primarily English. I've heard (IIRC) that the distribution between apical and laminal /s/ is random throughout dialects, ...

More likely "veerkles" I would have thought. It's one of those words where FLEECE+weak vowel sometimes compresses to [ɪə] or [ɪː], like idea or theatre; it is certainly bisyllabic for me. And you do sometimes get hyperrhoticity in those words.

I would point out that there are some phenomena which loosely resemble the High German sound shift (affrication and frication of the historically voiceless stops, and devoicing of the historically voiced ones) elsewhere in Germanic, though few of them go as far. Danish's /t/ is often an affricate, a...

On that note, I would analyze hesitant and militant as /ˈhɛzəˌtɪnt/ and /ˈmɪləˌtɪnt/, realized as [ˈhɜːzɘˌtʰɪ̠̃ʔ(t)] and [ˈmɪ̠ːɰɘˌtʰɪ̠̃ʔ(t)]; note that I realize the first and third vowels in militant as roughly the same, while the second vowel is lower and more central. (Note that the first and th...

On that note, I would analyze hesitant and militant as /ˈhɛzəˌtɪnt/ and /ˈmɪləˌtɪnt/, realized as [ˈhɜːzɘˌtʰɪ̠̃ʔ(t)] and [ˈmɪ̠ːɰɘˌtʰɪ̠̃ʔ(t)]; note that I realize the first and third vowels in militant as roughly the same, while the second vowel is lower and more central. (Note that the first and th...

I have some lip action in /r/ after a stressed vowel, but less than in word-initial position. Curiously, it is also usually apical after a stressed vowel, whereas it is laminal in word-initial position, with the tip of the tongue down near the lower teeth.

I get the impression from this that /V[+back]l/ and especially /V[+back]lC/ and /V[+back]l#/ sequences are very unstable in English dialects, considering that pretty much all the respondents here have different distributions and realizations, whether phonemic or phonetic, of historical phonemic bac...

Thank you, interesting. If I tried to pronounce "ultra" in English, I'd probably use either the CUT vowel or the PUT vowel for the u. It's STRUT for me, but a lot of accents merge various vowels before /l/, especially if the /l/ is followed by an obstruent. My guess is that most English s...

Space60 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 6:29 pm How do you pronounce?

"length"
"strength"
"penguin"
"Jenkins"

[lɛŋkθ]
[ʂtʂɹɛŋkθ]
[ˈpɛŋgwɪn]
[ˈdʒɛŋkɪnz]
(broad transcription, obviously)

How do you guys pronounce ketchup ? I ask because I am used to it being pronounced with /æ/, which I realize as [ɛ], rather than with the /ɛ/ implied by the spelling, which I would pronounce as [ɜ]. It could be due to the word "ketchup" failing to participate in the Northern Cities Vowel ...

That sounds reasonable to me. (In fact, I don’t think I mentioned vowel-modifying ⟨h⟩ at all.) Of course it also occurs in German, where in some words it derives from a real consonant but it has been generalised to words where it doesn't. I know nothing about German; could you elaborate please? Ger...

That sounds reasonable to me. (In fact, I don’t think I mentioned vowel-modifying ⟨h⟩ at all.) Of course it also occurs in German, where in some words it derives from a real consonant but it has been generalised to words where it doesn't. The most straightforward violation of the definition occurs ...

How do you guys pronounce ketchup ? I ask because I am used to it being pronounced with /æ/, which I realize as [ɛ], rather than with the /ɛ/ implied by the spelling, which I would pronounce as [ɜ]. [ˈkʰe̞tʃɐp(ʰ)], as implied by the spelling. (Phonemically /ket͡ʃɐp/.) Likewise, up to predictable di...

I've seen examples here of brand names using umlauts, including on U, as a way of giving a "Scandi" flavour, which is curious given that the actual Scandinavian languages use Y instead of Ü (well, except in German loans).

What I do find interesting is that StG final /ə/ universally became /i/ here, rather than being dropped or being pronunced as /ə/ (with the exception of a few notable names such as Porsche ), but StG medial /ə/ remains as /ə/ in present-day pronunciations. The Pennsylvania Dutch Wikipedia article s...

At least if Wikipedia is to be believed, Pennsylvania Dutch also has unrounded front vowels corresponding to the Standard German front rounded vowels (as do a lot of German dialects) and /aɪ/ for /ɔʏ/.

Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:49 pm One key note, though, is that StG /ɔʏ/ in names often traditionally maps to /ae/~/əe/, as found in Anheuser-Busch, Teutonia Avenue in Milwaukee, and the name Preussler.

I think that makes it unlikely that you have [ɔʏ] in English because of German influence.

No, it's [oə̯] ~ [o̝i̯] and if I heard an actual [ɔʏ̯] I'm not sure I wouldn't map it to GOAT I certainly map the German eu diphthong to English CHOICE. When I say them, however, I do maintain more rounding towards the end of the German diphthong than the English one. German eu maps almost perfectl...

See this educational video about NAUR by Geoff Lindsey. Some of the examples seem to be an almost monophthongal rhotacised vowel, e.g. the token of total which sounds like turtle . I'm somewhat used to total sounding like turtle , but this is with the version found in some parts of the North of Eng...