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Obstruents or nasals other than [ɲ ŋʲ ŋ̟ ŋ ŋʷ ɲc ɲcʼ ɲɟ ŋʲkʲ ŋʲkʲʼ ŋʲgʲ ŋk ŋkʼ ŋg ŋkʷ ŋkʷʼ ŋgʷ ɲʄ ɲʄ̰ ŋʲɠʲ ŋʲɠʲ̰ ŋɠ ŋɠ̰ ŋɠʷ ŋɠʷ̰ c cʼ ɟ kʲ kʲʼ gʲ k kʼ g kʷ kʷʼ gʷ ʄ ʄ̰ ɠʲ ɠʲ̰ ɠ ɠ̰ ɠʷ ɠʷ̰], i.e. [m mɓ d̻ʲ ...], persistently assimilate in dorsality and uvularity and palatalisation and whether palatal...

/pʰ p b tʰ t d cʰ c ɟ kʰ k g qʰ q ɢ/ ph p b th t d ch c j kh k g qh q x /f v r̥ r s z x ɣ ꭓ ʁ h/ f v rh r s z kh gh qh xh h /m n ɲ ŋ/ m n ny ng /l j w/ l y w /a e ə o i u/ a e ë o i u /hoʁoror r̥ə erqtox jajmaŋan r̥ə mi erqujn cavda meqr pʰŋafqxu əŋg hazɟɣu || hokoŋan joɣla haror̥ pandr pilŋan pʰətə...

alynnidalar wrote: ↑Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:26 am I dunno, I think /ts/ is one of the easier "foreign" phonemes for an English speaker to pick up. /x/ is certainly trickier, though.

agreed. /x/ was extremely hard for me to pick up, and /ts/ was no problem.

Travis B. wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:49 pm English speakers should rule out /ts/ and /x/ as phonemes.

or make /x~h/.

/laˈqʰaɾ/ laqár /m n/ m n /b d dz dʐ ɡ/ b d dz dj g /pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ kʰ qʰ/ p t c ch k q /pʼ tʼ tsʼ tʂʼ kʼ qʼ ʔ/ p' t' c' ch' k' q' ' /s ʂ ɕ χ h/ s sh x k h /z ʐ ʑ ʁ/ z zh j rh /ɾ l/ r l /w j/ w y /i e ɛ a ə ɔ o u/ i ei e a ë o ou u /ɛ̃ ã ɔ̃/ ę ą ǫ stress marked with accent diacritic /ˈsilã ne ˈɾiɕə ˈ...

how do you pronounce mhm?

<p b t d q '>
<ƛ c j>
<v s x g qh>
<l r>
<m n ŋ>
<w y>

<i e a u o>

qadelmex bov tuj pem vilo'coxqho'.
soh 'ih 'ej belmox law', 'oh belmoh pus.
jar vag tipuq diho'bog saŋ sus ro'.
'ej raƛtahmeh bov tuj lespoh luvus.

Max1461 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:21 pm

bbbosborne wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:11 pm 1st person with 2nd person animates.

What do you mean exactly?

spreading out the agentivity hierarchy:
1st person animate
1st person inanimate
2nd person animate <--- the split is here
2nd person inanimate
etc...

so the entire 1st person and 2nd person animates get nom/acc alignment

i'm a bit confused so this might be completely useless, but you could make the split a bit more precise, e.g. 1st person with 2nd person animates.

Pogostick Man wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:12 pm Yes, that is /k͡p͡x͡fˡ/, a labiodental-velar lateral affricate.

jesus wtf, i thought you accidetnally deleted a space or something. lmao that is incredible

My major problem with The Art of Language Invention was its totally misleading title. It's not about how to conlang; it's about how DJP made some specific conlangs, with a bit of other linguistic data thrown in. There's nothing wrong with the information in the book, but it's not what I thought I w...

That said, David's conlangs are far better than Klingon - which is actually a good demonstration how not to create a conlang. It's one of the worst conlangs I have ever seen, worse even than Volapük. I don't like the phonology and orthography. For the first he was apparently trying for "miscel...

are there any rules to the root's consonants? C₁ can be any consonant. Prenasalized consonants are only allowed in this position. C₂ can be any non-prenasalized consonant. C₃ cannot be prenasalized, an affricate, or /h/. There is a marked tendency for C₃ to not be pharyngealized, though pharyngeali...

yes, i'm always curious how a triconsonantal root-based language deals with gemination. are there any rules to the root's consonants?

i don't have much experience with triconsonantal root-based (con)langs but this looks like it is/will be pretty thorough. i'm curious as to what your syntax will look like or be capable of. also, i think it's a bit interesting you have a marked affirmative and a marked negative. from a quick search ...

i like the detail and the thought. i would love to read a short history of your conculture something i noticed: some of the section titles seem to be irrelevant or confusing, for example: If you died tonight... Some cities are ruled by kings, but even kings must obey the laws of their city and the o...

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:14 am

bbbosborne wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:51 pmdolphin

I never thought of it before, but I think in my native informal speech it lacks /l/.

me too! i'd say my pronunciation is nearly identical to travis b., surprisingly

not sure if this belongs in a separative thread, but:
how do stress rules change over time?

[kaːʔt͡ʃʰ]

[kæːn] at beginning
[kɪn] elsewhere

[kæːn]

also, how about:
dolphin

can pharyngealized/emphatic consonants turn into ejectives?