Huh, TIL. This would make total sense.Travis B. wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:11 pmThis is probably inspired by Hanyu Pinyin, in which /ə/ by itself is written ⟨e⟩ but is actually pronounced [ɤ] while ⟨ei⟩ is pronounced [ei].Man in Space wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:02 pm On Wikipedia just now, I have found a natlang (Bai) that spells /ɯ/ as e (/e/ is ei). I am quite astounded.
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- Sat May 18, 2024 4:37 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Replies: 4692
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Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Fri May 17, 2024 11:02 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
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Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
On Wikipedia just now, I have found a natlang (Bai) that spells /ɯ/ as e (/e/ is ei). I am quite astounded.
- Fri May 17, 2024 10:03 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 275987
Re: Word evolution game
*x > k / %_j [kjòːd.dʑé] 偽 | へうりぇう | ひょーっぎぇ | 허러 | hyōggye Kanji | Traditional Hiragana | Reformed Hiragana | Hangeul | Romanization "perjury; alibi, especially if dubious; (military slang) cover story, pretext, what’s released to the public (especially if fabricated)" *sS > Sʰ [ka'tʰeə̯.ɲə]
- Fri May 17, 2024 3:37 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
- Replies: 132
- Views: 66531
Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
By the way, what are those x 's supposed to signify? I tried looking up the extIPA for those but the page I got on the Wiki rendered much of such things as blocks. I interpret them as simply heterorganic affricates — e.g. [tx] is attested in Navajo. Not merely heterorganic but also heterovoiced aff...
- Fri May 17, 2024 7:36 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
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- Views: 275987
Re: Word evolution game
Epenthesis between offglides and resonants
[xø̀w.gʎǿ]
偽 | へうりぇう | heowlyeo
"perjury; alibi, especially if dubious; (military slang) cover story, pretext, what’s released to the public (especially if fabricated)"
[xø̀w.gʎǿ]
偽 | へうりぇう | heowlyeo
"perjury; alibi, especially if dubious; (military slang) cover story, pretext, what’s released to the public (especially if fabricated)"
- Fri May 17, 2024 12:22 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
- Replies: 132
- Views: 66531
Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
And now for something a little different… /m n/ m n /b t d c ɟ k g q/ b t d c j k g q /b x t x d x c x k x q x / b' t' d' c' k' q' /ɸ ʭ s ʃ x χ h/ f x th s ch kh qh h /β z/ w z /l ɹ j/ l r y /a e i o u/ a e i o u /ɛ̯a ɛ̯e i̯e ɔ̯o i̯u/ aa ee ii oo uu …but: yii yuu /i̯ei̯ i̯eu̯/
- Thu May 16, 2024 10:08 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 275987
Re: Word evolution game
ç > x / _VK
[xỳw.ʎǿ]
偽 | ひゅうりぇう | hyuwlyeo
"perjury; alibi, especially if dubious; (military slang) cover story, pretext, what’s released to the public (especially if fabricated)"
[xỳw.ʎǿ]
偽 | ひゅうりぇう | hyuwlyeo
"perjury; alibi, especially if dubious; (military slang) cover story, pretext, what’s released to the public (especially if fabricated)"
- Thu May 16, 2024 9:39 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 275987
Re: Word evolution game
Loss of first in a sequence of two like vowels
[çỳw.ɺʲǿ]
偽り | つわり | hyuweolyeo
"perjury; alibi, especially if dubious"
[çỳw.ɺʲǿ]
偽り | つわり | hyuweolyeo
"perjury; alibi, especially if dubious"
- Thu May 16, 2024 3:00 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 275987
Re: Word evolution game
People get sick of not having normal rounded vowels and semivowels. I don't think people are so cognizant of sound changes when they happen, or trigger them intentionally. Methinks Travis was merely phrasing it in an amusing manner. Final low-pitch vowels delete [çý.wǿɺʲ] 偽り | つわり | hyuweori "...
- Wed May 15, 2024 11:03 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 275987
Re: Word evolution game
Fronting of central vowels after palatals
[çíᵝ.ɰᵝá.ɺʲì]
偽り | つわり | hyiwari
"lie, falsehood; (criminal slang) alibi, especially if dubious"
[çíᵝ.ɰᵝá.ɺʲì]
偽り | つわり | hyiwari
"lie, falsehood; (criminal slang) alibi, especially if dubious"
- Wed May 15, 2024 6:55 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
- Replies: 129
- Views: 334037
Re: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
I was today years old when I realized that for me, I think I approach* [-ʃɪ-] in “associate” the noun and [-sɪ-] in “associate” the verb (plus a reduced vowel in the ultima of the former whilst it’s full in the latter). * I’m not 100% sure what is going on but I perceive some sort of nontrivial diff...
- Wed May 15, 2024 6:48 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 275987
Re: Word evolution game
Initial high vowels devoice before voiceless consonants
[i̥.t͡sɨ́ᵝ.ɰᵝá.ɾʲì]
偽り | いつわり | itsuwari
"lie, falsehood"
[i̥.t͡sɨ́ᵝ.ɰᵝá.ɾʲì]
偽り | いつわり | itsuwari
"lie, falsehood"
- Wed May 15, 2024 6:56 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 275987
Re: Word evolution game
Unmotivated /s/ → /ɬ/ is attested multiple times, although areally not that widespread; Yue Chinese, some Central Tai languages, Hlai, Tanoan apparently. In SE Asia /s/ isn't as stable as it ought to be, it keeps turning into /t/ or /ɬ/ or some bullshit along those lines. edit: MiS's push chain wou...
- Sun May 12, 2024 10:52 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Twin Aster
- Replies: 307
- Views: 259787
Re: Twin Aster
I was recently messaged about a few of Twin Aster 's languages by our esteemed friend Janko. In answer to his query, I have done some further work on certain aspects of the world of Twin Aster . A few things include: - PMJ acquires two new stop series: Dental stops /t̪ d̪/ ṯ ḏ (more properly "b...
- Sun May 12, 2024 6:20 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 275987
Re: Word evolution game
*ts > *ɬ [ɬɑ' n ʒo:] tsanjô "our language" See this is what I mean by evil sound changes. I’ve actually seen evidence of a dialect of a language (I can’t recall exactly but ISTR it was Sinitic) that had *s > ɬ as a result of a push chain; since we’re only seeing one element of the shift, ...
- Sun May 12, 2024 3:36 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
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- Views: 1083973
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
And English, when French loans phonemicized voicing distinctions in fricatives.WeepingElf wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 2:59 pmthe example of /f/ in Slavic shows that even phonemes can be borrowed.
- Tue May 07, 2024 9:15 pm
- Forum: Ephemera
- Topic: Happy things thread!
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Re: Happy things thread!
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- Mon May 06, 2024 10:28 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 275987
Re: Word evolution game
Hardening of *w ['ju.vɔʃ] ivvos "( to a woman of higher rank than oneself ) Mrs., Ms.; ( of judges, justices ) your honour" [eə] > [iu] ['iuj̥] ieich "( chiefly archaic ) madam, ma'am" *jC > CC [dʒɛːssaːɾ] giaisà "planet, wandering star" Z > Ø / V_V [a.áː] abá "oce...
- Mon May 06, 2024 12:13 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Syntax random
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- Views: 114371
Re: Syntax random
“We only didn’t see the Louvre” needs no question mark from me—it’s perfectly licit. My takeaway would be that there was some list or set of things you visited on your trip or at least wanted to see, the Louvre being the only one you didn’t get to. (“We saw the Musée d’Orsay, the Arc de Triomphe, th...
- Fri May 03, 2024 11:09 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2692
- Views: 275987
Re: Word evolution game
Raising of final nonlow vowels ['œχ.χi] diórde "(to a woman of higher rank than oneself) Mrs., Ms.; (with titles of office) madam; (of judges, justices) your honour" *Vh > voiceless vowel with devoicing of onset ['ɣai̯.cæ̥] žiyat "(to a woman of higher rank than oneself) Mrs., Ms.; (w...