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Pirenáj: Tento traducír a la Pirenáj, peróc tap mout tempos. [tə̃.to tɾa.du.s̻iɾ a la pi.ɾə.naʃ pə.ɾɵk tap mot tə̃.po] I try to translate into Pirenáj, but it takes a lot of time. Phàang óo ũ thĩung ruman ngá líu tàe sí. [pʰāːŋ ʔɔ́ː ʔṵ tʰɨ̰ŋ ɾʊmɑ̄n ŋɑ́ lɨ́ tæ̀ sí] kind what POSS.3S language Romance...

Niwanĩ ẽe yän thĩung ga ho lae ék thäe nyẽu màe.
[niwɐnḭ ʔɛ̰ː jɑ̤n tʰɨ̰ŋ ɡɑ̄ hɔ̄ lǣ ʔɛ́k tʰæ̤ ɲɘ̰ mæ̀]
tone.GROUP DAT more language PROX.S than COMP 1S able.to speak EGO
This language has more tones than I can pronounce.

Ék ĩ dàeim yän mà thĩung ga màe.
[ʔɛ́k ʔḭ dæ̀im jɑ̤n mɑ̀ tʰɨ̰ŋ ɡɑ̄ mæ̀]
1S should play more INST language PROX.S EGO
I should play with this language more.

For what it's worth I find myself equally unconvinced by arguments of the form "X is common, which argues against its truth because it implies X doesn't change easily due to sound change and we know Proto-Indo-European broke up into daughter languages so we should expect it to show unstable st...

[ɯw] > [iw] ['t͡siw.kɔjs] ciúcuois "( archaising, formerly to a woman of higher rank than oneself ) Mrs., Ms.; ( of judges, justices ) your honour" Labialization of consonants is transferred to following vowels. ['d͡ʒaː.d͡ʒɒ] giágiua "( archaising ) madam, ma'am; ( in fantasy literatu...

we don't have any different orthographies than our spanish cousins that i can think of: it's mostly a matter of lexicon: they say judías where we say porotos or frijoles, they say guindillas for our ajies or our chiles, they say ordenador for our computadores/as, that kind of thing. oh, and of cour...

it's common for people to think they're rulers are good: a lot of being a ruler is convincing the ruled that you're good, after all. A multipolar world would be one with an increased amount of violence as the various poles jockey for position with one another. I really hope I don't have to convince...

Since Travis brought up subtitles: I have the impression that movies, TV shows, etc. rarely get different BE and AE subtitles, while, at least on Netflix, you can apparently often choose between Spanish Spanish, Latin American Spanish, Portuguese Portuguese, and Brazilian Portuguese subtitles. It s...

[ˈkʰʊː.ae̯.ˈɛːv.n̩ː.ˌɑ̃ː.ʁ̃ˤɯːp̚ˈpʰɑː.mʁ̩ˤː] [ˈtjɛːv.ˈɜ̃ːj.ˌae̯ˈdiː.əː.ˈwʌə̯m.ˈsʲpi.kɘ̃.ˌɪːʁˤ] Kind of on a tangent, but do you have any idea what kind of quantitative vowel length difference you have? When I try and read out your examples they always seem pretty reasonable, except the vowel length...

"That argument pretty much can be summed up as "the less typologically plausible phonology should be favored specifically because we don't see it any daughters", TBH." I think a more fair paraphrase is that a stable situation like /k q/ would be more likely to survive, so it str...

As for PIE lacking post-velar consonants other than the laryngeals, Proto-Semitic is reconstructed in a similar way (though some Semitic languages at least have shifted /k'/ to /q/), and this is indeed the reason why Indo-Europeanists call them "laryngeals". Thing is, the *k *kʷ *q hypoth...

And on that note, IIRC I have seen people who have posited that the laryngeals were something like *x *xʷ *χ.

foxcatdog wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2024 3:07 pm therapist: objectively evil sound changes do not exist they can't hurt you
cot-caught merger and yeismo: allow us to introduce ourselves

I think the most evil sound change is turning sibilants into laterals myself.

As for PIE lacking post-velar consonants other than the laryngeals, Proto-Semitic is reconstructed in a similar way (though some Semitic languages at least have shifted /k'/ to /q/), and this is indeed the reason why Indo-Europeanists call them "laryngeals". Thing is, the *k *kʷ *q hypoth...

I'm with Linguoboy here -- the reasons against the substratum hypothesis for do-support seem quite strong, and I am not going to repeat them here because they have already been stated in this thread.

I think Travis's point, which I agree with, is about which way to vote, not about discrediting protests. Please show me where in my OP I said a damn word about voting or not voting. He simply ignored the content of my post to ride his old hobby horse about voting. Obviously you would delegitimize c...

Torco, you seem to believe that Trump as president won't result in Trump pushing fascism on a global scale. Do you seriously believe this is true? Do you seriously believe that Trump will not help support fascists outside the US such as Orbán and Putin?

Let's see if I can puzzle things out: [ˈkʰʊː.ae̯.ˈɛːv.n̩ː.ˌɑ̃ː.ʁ̃ˤɯːp̚ˈpʰɑː.mʁ̩ˤː] Could I have an Arnold Palmer? [ˈtjɛːv.ˈɜ̃ːj.ˌae̯ˈdiː.əː.ˈwʌə̯m.ˈsʲpi.kɘ̃.ˌɪːʁˤ] Do you have any idea what I'm speaking here? It looks rather outlandish, but when I articulate it, I understand, and it isn't that diff...

I think you're onto something here. The case can definitely be made that global communication does do a bit to slow the otherwise natural drift, though, mainly from American English to other varieties--e.g. I notice more and more younger Englishmen in media engaging in very American-sounding yod-dr...

...and that I would have no expectation that a Brit would readily understand my own speech unless I was deliberately approximating GA... Curious... Any audio clips? I have no audio clips of my natural, everyday speech that I can readily locate at the moment, and my problem with that is that when I ...