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poor [pʰu(ː)ʁˤ]
boor [b̥u(ː)ʁˤ]
moor [mu(ː)ʁˤ]
to pour [pʰɔ(ː)ʁˤ]
tour [tʲʷʰy(ː)ʁˤ]
tourist [ˈtʲʷʰyːʁˤɘs(t)]
tournament [ˈtʲʰʁ̩̃ˤːɾ̃ə̃ːˌmɘ̃ʔ]~[ˈtʲʰʁ̩̃ˤːɾ̃ə̃ːˌmɘ̃nt]
tourniquet [ˈtʲʰʁ̩̃ˤːɾ̃ɘkɘ̃ʔ(t)]
Tourette syndrome [tʲʰʁ̩ˤːˈʁˤɜ̃ʔ(t)]~[tʲʷʰyːˈʁˤɜ̃ʔ(t)]
path [ˈpʰɛθ]
truth [ˈtɕʰɻʁyθ] *
paths [ˈpʰɛːθs] **
truths [ˈtɕʰɻʁyθs] *
* [ɻʁ] is actually dual-articulated here.
** This actually reflects underlying /ðz/.
boor [b̥u(ː)ʁˤ]
moor [mu(ː)ʁˤ]
to pour [pʰɔ(ː)ʁˤ]
tour [tʲʷʰy(ː)ʁˤ]
tourist [ˈtʲʷʰyːʁˤɘs(t)]
tournament [ˈtʲʰʁ̩̃ˤːɾ̃ə̃ːˌmɘ̃ʔ]~[ˈtʲʰʁ̩̃ˤːɾ̃ə̃ːˌmɘ̃nt]
tourniquet [ˈtʲʰʁ̩̃ˤːɾ̃ɘkɘ̃ʔ(t)]
Tourette syndrome [tʲʰʁ̩ˤːˈʁˤɜ̃ʔ(t)]~[tʲʷʰyːˈʁˤɜ̃ʔ(t)]
path [ˈpʰɛθ]
truth [ˈtɕʰɻʁyθ] *
paths [ˈpʰɛːθs] **
truths [ˈtɕʰɻʁyθs] *
* [ɻʁ] is actually dual-articulated here.
** This actually reflects underlying /ðz/.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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My impression is that in England people who use [paθ] usually use [paθs] for the plural but that people who use [pɑːθ] may use either [pɑːθs] or [pɑːðz]. I use [paθ] and [paðz] feels really weird.
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Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
poor boor moor: /por bor mor/
to pour: /por/
tour: /tor/
tourist: either /ˈtorɪst/ or /ˈtɚɪst/, not sure at this point
tournament: /ˈtɚnəmɨnt/
tourniquet /ˈtɚnɨkɨt/
Tourette syndrome /tərˈɛt/
paths/truths -θs although /pæðz/ is correct
to pour: /por/
tour: /tor/
tourist: either /ˈtorɪst/ or /ˈtɚɪst/, not sure at this point
tournament: /ˈtɚnəmɨnt/
tourniquet /ˈtɚnɨkɨt/
Tourette syndrome /tərˈɛt/
paths/truths -θs although /pæðz/ is correct
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
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I should note that here poor can be either [pʰu(ː)ʁˤ] or [pʰɔ(ː)ʁˤ], even though I personally only have [pʰu(ː)ʁˤ] for it ([pʰɔ(ː)ʁˤ] feels like a dialect borrowing to me), whereas tour is always [tʲʷʰy(ː)ʁˤ] or [tʲʷʰʉ(ː)ʁˤ] and never [tʰɔ(ː)ʁˤ] here.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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miracle [ˈmɪɹɪkʰʊɫ]
illustrate [ˈɪɫəstɹæɪ̯t]
irritate [ˈɪɹətʰæɪ̯t
South Africa [ˌsæɔθ ˈæfɹɪkɐ]
poor boor moor [pʰoː boː moː ]Kuchigakatai wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 10:08 pm
poor boor moor
to pour
tour
tourist
tournament
tourniquet
Tourette syndrome
Also, what about path/truth vs. paths/truths? Saw some people elsewhere saying they pronounce the former pair of singulars with /θ/, but the latter pair of plurals with /θs/ or /ðz/.
to pour [pʰoː ]
paw [pʰoː ]
tour [tʰʉːwɐ]
tourist [tʰʉːɹəst]
tournament [ˈtoːnəmənʔ]
tourniquet [ˈtoːnəkʰæɪ̯]
Tourette syndrome [tʰəˈɹɛts ˈsɪndɹɐʉ̯m]
Both "path" and truths get voiced in the plural. One funny thing for me is that I've heard people from north America also doing this with "moths".
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/me raises hand for -/ðz/ in moths.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Is there any dialect which merges the pronunciations of 'chancellor' and 'transfer'? Or is there always at least the opposition between /l/ and /f/?
/j/ <j>
Ɂaləɂahina asəkipaɂə ileku omkiroro salka.
Loɂ ɂerleku asəɂulŋusikraɂə seləɂahina əɂətlahɂun əiŋɂiɂŋa.
Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ.
Ɂaləɂahina asəkipaɂə ileku omkiroro salka.
Loɂ ɂerleku asəɂulŋusikraɂə seləɂahina əɂətlahɂun əiŋɂiɂŋa.
Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ.
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Which dialects actually merge the onsets of the first syllables? I'd have thought that most dialects with assibilation of /tr/ either retain the rhotic or have a more palatalised affricate for inherited /tʃ/.
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I am not aware of any English dialect which drops the rhotic in /tr/ or which ever merges /l/ and /f/.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Wtf would be the pathway to merging /l/ and /f/? Can't see that happening in any variety of English unless we get into very hypothetical future developments and even then, it would require multiple stages. (E.g. [l] > [ɬ] > [ɬʷ] > [ʍ] > [ɸ] > [f]) And for those two words to merge, there's also the dropping of the schwa (easily imaginable) and the merging of /tr/ and /tʃ/, which is not far fetched at all, but I don't know of any dialect where it's happened yet.
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Perhaps via /l/-vocalisation and lenition: l→ɫ→w, f→ʋ→w. The first is plausible considering Australian English, and the second is plausible considering Indian English. The combination would be strange, though.
EDIT: In any case I wouldn’t merge them because the vowels are different: ch[æ]ncell[ɐ] vs tr[ɑː]nsf[əː].
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If you say "trarnsfer", why don't you say "charncellor"?
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The two liquids in 'Chancellor of the Exchequer' makes the 'll' a bit vulnerable to dropping, and then it is open to contamination by 'chancer', especially given the recent ones.Imralu wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:28 am Wtf would be the pathway to merging /l/ and /f/? Can't see that happening in any variety of English unless we get into very hypothetical future developments and even then, it would require multiple stages. (E.g. [l] > [ɬ] > [ɬʷ] > [ʍ] > [ɸ] > [f]) And for those two words to merge, there's also the dropping of the schwa (easily imaginable) and the merging of /tr/ and /tʃ/, which is not far fetched at all, but I don't know of any dialect where it's happened yet.
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My TRAP/BATH vowels have always been slightly confused, for some reason.
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Just checked the Wiki, and supposedly at least in SSBE both transfer and chancellor have [ɑː].
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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On reflection, I do think I’ve heard people say ch[ɑː]ncellor. It’s just a word I personally don’t often use.
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That's pretty common in Australia. A friend of mine distinguishes between the verb /dæːns/ and the noun /dɑːns/, but the latter is only used for the name of an event (party, ball etc.). She'd still say "Get up and have a /dæːns/."
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How do you guys pronounce ketchup? I ask because I am used to it being pronounced with /æ/, which I realize as [ɛ], rather than with the /ɛ/ implied by the spelling, which I would pronounce as [ɜ].
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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[ˈkʰe̞tʃɐp(ʰ)], as implied by the spelling. (Phonemically /ket͡ʃɐp/.)
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