The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread

[Estav]

I don't have affrication in either front room or restroom; the latter isn't really used in my dialect anyway. One other curious example where I do have affrication is the brand name Land Rover; indeed I recall being slightly surprised the first time I noticed it was actually written as two words.

One curious example of me misanalyzing a word as a kid is [ˈwɘ̃ːn(t)ˌtʃʰɘ(ː)ɯ̯], which I analyzed as windshield /ˈwɪndˌʃild/ rather than the correct windchill /ˈwɪndˌtʃɪl/ because there's very little difference between /ndʃ/ and /ndtʃ/ phonetically IMD, because final /ld/ is unstable IMD and is readily realized without the stop (so hence my mind easily added a /d/ that did not exist), and because the distinction between /il/ and /ɪl/ is not very salient IMD (e.g. one can very often hear laxing in r[ɪ]lly here).

I have /ɪ/ in really but it's specific to that word (real has /i/). I also have /ɪ/ in the contractions she'll, he'll, we'll (If I don't just have schwa/a syllabic consonant), which I see as similar to how the diphthong of I is often reduced in I'll, giving /ɑl/.

[jal]

Re bedroom, I think I have /d/ as [ɖ] because of the following [ɻ]. But I'm not a native speaker, so that doesn't count :D.


JAL

[Travis B.]

Does anyone else here have TRAP rather than DRESS in ketchup? Mind you, my TRAP is similar to most non-Inland North-speakers' DRESS, but I certainly do not have my DRESS in ketchup as I have [ɛ] rather than *[ɜ] in it.

[Znex]

Re bedroom, I think I have /d/ as [ɖ] because of the following [ɻ]. But I'm not a native speaker, so that doesn't count .

A lot of English speakers do have retroflex assimilation like that, but it usually becomes an affricate rather than remaining a true stop.

eg. My AuE idiolect: train [tʂɻ̥ɛɪ̯n] drain [d̥ʐɻɛɪ̯n] vs. chain [tʃɛɪ̯n] Jane [d̥ʒɛɪ̯n] vs. attain [əˈtʰɛɪ̯n] Dane [d̥ɛɪ̯n]

[bradrn]

Re bedroom, I think I have /d/ as [ɖ] because of the following [ɻ]. But I'm not a native speaker, so that doesn't count .

A lot of English speakers do have retroflex assimilation like that, but it usually becomes an affricate rather than remaining a true stop.

eg. My AuE idiolect: train [tʂɻ̥ɛɪ̯n] drain [d̥ʐɻɛɪ̯n] vs. chain [tʃɛɪ̯n] Jane [d̥ʒɛɪ̯n] vs. attain [əˈtʰɛɪ̯n] Dane [d̥ɛɪ̯n]

I have the same thing, though after recent experiences I’ve concluded that my accent is more South African than Australian.

[anteallach]

Re bedroom, I think I have /d/ as [ɖ] because of the following [ɻ]. But I'm not a native speaker, so that doesn't count .

A lot of English speakers do have retroflex assimilation like that, but it usually becomes an affricate rather than remaining a true stop.

eg. My AuE idiolect: train [tʂɻ̥ɛɪ̯n] drain [d̥ʐɻɛɪ̯n] vs. chain [tʃɛɪ̯n] Jane [d̥ʒɛɪ̯n] vs. attain [əˈtʰɛɪ̯n] Dane [d̥ɛɪ̯n]

Indeed, but the oddity of bedroom (at least in my idiolect) is that this does not normally happen across a morpheme boundary, but in bedroom it does.

[anteallach]

Re bedroom, I think I have /d/ as [ɖ] because of the following [ɻ]. But I'm not a native speaker, so that doesn't count .

A lot of English speakers do have retroflex assimilation like that, but it usually becomes an affricate rather than remaining a true stop.

eg. My AuE idiolect: train [tʂɻ̥ɛɪ̯n] drain [d̥ʐɻɛɪ̯n] vs. chain [tʃɛɪ̯n] Jane [d̥ʒɛɪ̯n] vs. attain [əˈtʰɛɪ̯n] Dane [d̥ɛɪ̯n]

I have the same thing, though after recent experiences I’ve concluded that my accent is more South African than Australian.

In what ways, out of interest?

[bradrn]

A lot of English speakers do have retroflex assimilation like that, but it usually becomes an affricate rather than remaining a true stop.

eg. My AuE idiolect: train [tʂɻ̥ɛɪ̯n] drain [d̥ʐɻɛɪ̯n] vs. chain [tʃɛɪ̯n] Jane [d̥ʒɛɪ̯n] vs. attain [əˈtʰɛɪ̯n] Dane [d̥ɛɪ̯n]

I have the same thing, though after recent experiences I’ve concluded that my accent is more South African than Australian.

In what ways, out of interest?

Not entirely sure, to be honest… it’s more of a general perception of myself vs SAE speakers on the one hand and AuE speakers on the other, plus the fact that people invariably tell me I sound South African. (Though curiously enough, when I look at the usual vowel transcriptions, I seem much closer to AuE than SAE.)

[Raphael]

Basketball.

[Darren]

Basketball.

[ˈbaːskəʔˌbʊˑu̯(ɫʷ)]

[Travis B.]

Basketball.

[ˈb̥ɛskɘʔˌpɒ(ː)o̯]

[anteallach]

Basketball.

[ˈbaskɪtbɔːɫ]

I'd be curious to know which aspect of it you were asking about, as for me, and I think most others, it's simply basket+ball, with the stress on the former.

[Raphael]

I'd be curious to know which aspect of it you were asking about, as for me, and I think most others, it's simply basket+ball, with the stress on the former.

Mainly the first "a" and the "t". I'm asking because of the weird way it is often pronounce by Germans, who usually pronounce the "a" as [a:] and sometimes treat the "t" as silent.

[bradrn]

Basketball.

[ˈbɑːskət̚ˌboˑw]

(I think the two [b]s might be devoiced, but I’m really unsure… I tried looking at a spectogram, but if anything it made me less confident about the voicing status!)

I'd be curious to know which aspect of it you were asking about, as for me, and I think most others, it's simply basket+ball, with the stress on the former.

Mainly the first "a" and the "t". I'm asking because of the weird way it is often pronounce by Germans, who usually pronounce the "a" as [a:] and sometimes treat the "t" as silent.

Well, it looks like almost everyone who’s responded so far has some kind of unreleased stop for the [t], so it makes sense for that phoneme at least.

[anteallach]

The [t] in mine is unreleased too.

It's a BATH word, so it's not surprising that Germans use a long vowel.

[Nortaneous]

idempotent

[Estav]

idempotent

/ˈaɪdəmˌpoʊtənt/ [ˈaɪɾəmˌpʰoʊʔn̩ˀt]

[Travis B.]

idempotent

[ˌəːe̯ɾm̩ˈpʰo̞ʔn̩ʔ]~[ˌəːe̯ɾm̩ˈpʰo̞tɘ̃ʔ]~[ˌəːe̯ɾm̩ˈpʰo̞tɘ̃ʔt]

[Travis B.]

How do you pronounce hundred when you're not paying attention (i.e. not the careful, formal pronunciation) or, in particular, if you are saying something like two hundred and fifty six?

[salem]

How do you pronounce hundred when you're not paying attention (i.e. not the careful, formal pronunciation) or, in particular, if you are saying something like two hundred and fifty six?

Something like [ˈhɐnd͡ʒɹ̠ˠɘd̚], [ˈtʰɨː‿ɐ̯nd͡ʒɹ̠ˠɘdⁿ‿n̩ ˈfɘfti ˈsɘks].