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by Estav
Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:51 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1406
Views: 449496

Re: English questions

I'm a bit confused about how written English handles quotes within quotes. In German , it's pretty simple - the outer quotes are marked by quotation marks, and the inner quotes are marked by apostrophes: "Und dann sagte er: 'Das kann ich nicht machen!'" But in English, I'm pretty sure I r...
by Estav
Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:30 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Innovative Usage Thread
Replies: 556
Views: 661964

Re: Innovative Usage Thread

Why did you highlight "just a bit plain weird" too? There's nothing off with that, is there? The form I'm used to is "just a plain bit weird" myself. And I feel like the most natural order for me might be "a bit just plain weird"... but I think sounds a little odd to u...
by Estav
Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:57 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Dravidian and Australian languages
Replies: 25
Views: 25260

Re: Dravidian and Australian languages

Dravidian has more in common with Australian languages, phonologically, than just fricativelessness. In particular, it's lack of fricatives + a three-way dental/alveolar/retroflex contrast among coronals + nasals at every stop POA + lack of voicing contrast (at least for Proto-Dravidian) + a prepon...
by Estav
Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:46 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1333
Views: 822972

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

I feel like I read somewhere that there was some Germanic language in which (i-)umlaut only affected the stressed vowel, i.e. the stressed vowel assimilated to a following /i j/ but other vowels didn't. But I haven't been able to find it again. Does anybody have a source? Is there any Germanic lang...
by Estav
Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:35 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 1782
Views: 4936276

Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread

Ser wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:17 pm Do you pronounce "average" with /ɛ/? And if so, do you have the Mary-marry-merry merger too?
Which syllable are you asking about? “Average” is [ˈævɹɪ̈dʒ]~[ˈævəɹɪ̈dʒ].
by Estav
Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:08 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Pronunciations you had to unlearn
Replies: 805
Views: 540924

Re: Pronunciations you had to unlearn

and which can be argued to be an allophone of /i/ as it does not contrast with [ i] or [j] as long as syllabification is treated as contrastive: Do you happen to know of discussions of this contrastive syllabification? I recently had an argument with someone who insisted I was making up this analys...
by Estav
Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:42 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Pronunciations you had to unlearn
Replies: 805
Views: 540924

Re: Pronunciations you had to unlearn

Is Spanish ll generally pronounced as [j] then? It's pronounced the same as syllable-initial <y>, which is generally a bit more constricted than [j]. In some accents, it's something like [ʝ] or [ɟʝ], which might be in free variation with a more lenis [j] pronunciation, and which can be argued to be...
by Estav
Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:57 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Pronunciations you had to unlearn
Replies: 805
Views: 540924

Re: Pronunciations you had to unlearn

the traditional English pronunciation of Latin sepulc(h)rum should've been /sɪˈpʌlkɹəm/ Yes, and I'm pretty sure that is the traditional English pronunciation of "sepulc(h)rum". The English adjective "sepulchral" also has that stress pattern. It's just the pronunciation of the E...
by Estav
Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:22 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Pronunciations you had to unlearn
Replies: 805
Views: 540924

Re: Pronunciations you had to unlearn

I just learned that "sepulcher" is stressed on the initial rather than the second syllable. I'd been pronouncing it as /səˈpʌlkər/ rather than the correct /ˈsɛpəlkər/.
by Estav
Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:17 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 1782
Views: 4936276

Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread

For me: "Nearby" is a double-stressed word like "thirteen", etc. (See John Wells's blog post here .) It is accented on the last syllable in isolation and as the last word in a phrase; it can sound like it's accented on the first syllable (I think it could alternatively maybe be c...
by Estav
Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:25 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Pronunciations you had to unlearn
Replies: 805
Views: 540924

Re: Pronunciations you had to unlearn

I used to think augment was augument (like argument but with au instead of ar) and so on for related words.
by Estav
Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:25 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4692
Views: 2063794

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

I've occasionally heard people use a preposition + which construction (does that have a name?) while also stranding the preposition at the end of the clause: "the store to which I went to", or something like that. But I recently heard someone say "the source from which it was influen...
by Estav
Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:42 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4692
Views: 2063794

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

MWD sez: \ ˈfā-v(ə-)rə-ˌti-zəm, ˈfā-vər- \ AHD sez: (fā′vər-ĭ-tĭz′əm, fāv′rĭ-) It take it you pronounce "favourite" in three syllables as well? Neither of those shows a pronunciation that would regularly correspond to “favortism” with “rt” instead of “rit”. Unless you think that’s what MW...
by Estav
Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:41 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4692
Views: 2063794

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

So Icelandic, Faroese, Greek, Latvian, and Lithuanian are the only modern IE languages to preserve the IE nominative singular -s, right? And the latter three are the only ones to preserve it as /s/? Curious that these are basically on the fringes of Europe (or at least IE-speaking Europe, with the ...
by Estav
Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:35 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Pronunciations you had to unlearn
Replies: 805
Views: 540924

Re: Pronunciations you had to unlearn

A general principle of English stress is that words don’t start with two fully unstressed syllables in a row. But fully unstressed syllables can pile up at the end—generative has three (at least it can for me—I reduce the a, I can flap the t and I don’t feel like the final syllable has to have an un...
by Estav
Sun May 24, 2020 6:13 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: How common are SAE features?
Replies: 35
Views: 17294

Re: How common are SAE features?

Personally I find the various uses of subject-verb inversion in English (especially old-fashioned modern English) to be the most amusing part of its grammar, including (especially including) the part of inserting "to do" as an auxiliary verb for all non-basic verbs if they don't have an a...
by Estav
Sun May 24, 2020 4:07 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Pronunciations you had to unlearn
Replies: 805
Views: 540924

Re: Pronunciations you had to unlearn

I find it surprising that Estav says height would be respected aside from happy cases where spelling patterns are similar, like a "short" vowel before doubled <bb>. The length of vowels in German names can often be inferred from the spelling, which mostly follows similar rules to English....
by Estav
Sat May 23, 2020 6:44 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Pronunciations you had to unlearn
Replies: 805
Views: 540924

Re: Pronunciations you had to unlearn

I still think it's a small miracle that John Boehner convinced the world to pronounce his name with /e/ instead of /o/. isn't that just the regular borrowing pattern for German front rounded vowels in the Midwest? what percentage of German immigrants to the US preserved front rounded vowels in the ...
by Estav
Sat May 16, 2020 1:56 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Germano-Latin update
Replies: 16
Views: 7766

Re: Germano-Latin update

I don't understand why it would be considered objectionable in the first place to use Classical Latin phonology as a starting point. For the purpose of sound changes, it's pretty much correct to take the phonological system of Classical Latin as a direct ancestor of modern Romance phonologies. Class...
by Estav
Mon May 11, 2020 3:16 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 1782
Views: 4936276

Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread

Ser wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 2:58 pm If that's so it's a very unusual abbreviation though, because it's a single word and it continues to be in use (almost never with a hyphen, contra zompist).
It’s like other short spellings where letters are pronounced as their names like b4, c u later.