Zompist Bboard Again

Let's say I have a language where vowels are not allowed to be next to each other (is there a technical term for that?); that is, no diphthongs or hiatuses. However, there is a glottal stop, so e.g. /gaʔen/ is allowed. If glottal stops are lost intervocalically (which seems fairly reasonable), what ...

The abstract mechanics of my conscript have developed nicely, but I have no idea what the script should actually look like. Despite my best efforts, I cannot find any inspiration. Have a look at Ian James's scripts ; they're exceptionally good. Mattias Persson has made a lot of scripts as well. Omn...

I think I'll end up doing this: p b t d k ɡ > f v s z x ɣ / V_V Leave as-is x ɣ > j Leave as-is w > v / V_C or V_# Leave as-is æ e i ɯ > e i ɨ ɨ Leave as-is ej > i / _# Leave as-is i > ɨ / j_ or _j Leave as-is s z > ʃ ʒ / _i Modify to include affricatives: s z t͡s d͡z > ʃ ʒ t͡ʃ d͡ʒ consonants next t...

Is it more realistic to turn payt͡se > pat͡ʃːe or peːtse instead? Sorry, that was a typo: I meant pajt͡se > pajːe. That's not what I meant. I mean, Is it more realistic to turn pajt͡se > pat͡ʃːe or peːtse instead? \ Possibly that's true. Really, the problem is that I don't know what natlangs do in ...

If I'm understanding right, in both of those cases you don't get the object marker on the verb if there's a separate pronominal object. That makes them look more like weak pronouns or clitics than like agreement affixes, imo. (My impression is that it's very common for pronominal clitics to get mis...

A bit of a bug... it looks like you can vote twice. On the other hand, I can't vote for three options at once, which at least shows that that bit of code is working properly. EDIT: Oh - looks like that when you vote twice it removes your previous vote before it adds your current vote, so it's not a ...

WALS lists sources for each language; from their Khoekhoe source, I managed to find the following rigorous description: At the end of any verb which is not intransitive, there may occur a patient suffix. Semantically, all patient suffixes indicate who or what is the "immediate patient" of ...

Is it more realistic to turn payt͡se > pat͡ʃːe or peːtse instead? Sorry, that was a typo: I meant pajt͡se > pajːe. Also, never in my mind this change is good: hat.su > hat.tu. It's more likely to turn into this instead hat.su > ha.t͡su or hat.t͡su. This language doesn't distinguish /hat.su/ and /ha...

consonants next to each other turn into geminates (e.g. inkɨ > inːɨ) Please explain this. This is not extensive enough. I'm not sure what you mean by this. If anything, this seems too extensive - it applies to all consonants next to each other! I mean your description is not extensive enough. What ...

Thanks everyone! I still have a few questions though: w > v / V_C or V_# I bit suspect this is not that realistic. For example, phoneme like /iwk/ can turn in /ivk/ which is harder to pronounce. Probably it's better if w>f From the other posts there seems to be a bit of disagreement about this. Pers...

Inspired by Zju's comment from the Sound Change Quickie Thread : I want you to poke holes at this: p t k s ʃ r l m n a o u e i k > q / _{a, o}, {a, o}_ p t k q s ʃ r l m n > pʲ tʲ kʲ qʲ ɕ ɕ j j mʲ nʲ / _i ɕ > sʲ i > e / [+J]_ l > w qʲ > cˠ > tˠ t > ɾ / V_V s n t > sˠ nˠ tˠ w ʃ > wˠ ʃˠ > ʕ ħ r q > z ...

Possibly there could be another thread for this, if enough people are interested? I'm interested. This seems like a pretty common desire, so a dedicated thread may not be a bad idea. Alright then - I'll make it now. EDIT: Now created at http://www.verduria.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=327 .

Zju wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:45 am I want you to poke holes at this:

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It occurs to me that I have much the same question with a set of sound changes I recently developed. Possibly there could be another thread for this, if enough people are interested?

It seems that codas and vowel initial syllables both present significant problems for my featural abugida. The script assumes that every character signifies an onset with the nucleic vowel marked with diacritics. This means that vowel initial syllables would need a silent placeholder character to w...

Well, reading up on the historical phonologies of some well-attested languages is useful (which the Index Diachronica can be one source for, but I agree it's not ideal, for multiple reasons), and note which changes and types of changes recur. For example, you might notice that fronting of u to [ʉ] ...

Might I suggest using <ng> for /ŋ/, <nng> for /ng/, and <ngg> for /ŋg/? That's lovely - I've never thought of that! Another solution that I quite like is having <ng> for /ŋ/, <n'g> for /nɡ/, and <ngg> for /ŋɡ/. The advantange of this solution is that you can scale it up to other digraphs, so things...

(a) do some basic research on what kinds of sound changes are common cross-linguistically -- many of the questions posted in this thread concern incredibly common types of sound change As someone who struggles a bit with thinking up interesting yet plausible sound changes, what resources can I use ...

Well, some things got in the way on my end, and interest seems to have died down anyway, but if anyone's still engaged with this, I've put up sample sentences for a third language now. Well, I haven't been too involved in this game (I'm not too good at reconstruction), but at a cursory look it seem...

bbbosborne wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:23 pm what sound changes can get me a bilabial trill?

The Index Diachronica lists mb → ʙ from Nias under 'Most Wanted Sound Changes'.

there's a labiodental approximant at the end of that first word There're a couple cases I've seen: - ʔukaːkʋ in sentence 3A - møɾʋ in sentence 3B - sʋ in sentence 4A - jʋ in sentence 5A How does those last two words even make sense? As far as I'm aware, it's not too common to have words without vow...