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by Estav
Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:19 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: English 'not' migration
Replies: 7
Views: 292

Re: English 'not' migration

Before I begin, I don't know if there's a correct term for the phenomenon I'm going to describe here, so I went with migration . Is it me, or is there currently a on-going change in the position of "not" in English sentences? In standard English grammar we all know that "I would not ...
by Estav
Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:56 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Voiced fricatives in Germanic
Replies: 14
Views: 2255

Re: Voiced fricatives in Germanic

I'm aware of Lass's paper and am, as I said, "sympathetic to [the] belief" that West Saxon initial fricatives were voiced, though I think the evidence is insufficient to make a definitive judgement. This is why I talk about the "mainstream belief" that initial fricatives weren't...
by Estav
Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:07 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Voiced fricatives in Germanic
Replies: 14
Views: 2255

Re: Voiced fricatives in Germanic

It has been argued that there was variation between dialects of Old English in the voicing of word-initial fricatives. I am personally sympathetic to this belief, but the mainstream view is that initial fricative voicing in the dialects of Southern England and the the south-western Midlands only oc...
by Estav
Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:43 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Voiced fricatives in Germanic
Replies: 14
Views: 2255

Re: Voiced fricatives in Germanic

As far as I know, Gothic shows no signs of voicing Proto-Germanic *s *ɸ *θ *x *xʷ. Instead, in Gothic [β ð ɣ] functioned as allophones of /b d g/, and Proto-Germanic *z was maintained as a distinct phoneme from *s (setting aside neutralization in word-final position or before an obstruent). So I'm c...
by Estav
Sun Mar 31, 2024 11:15 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Marginal distinctions
Replies: 15
Views: 585

Re: Marginal distinctions

/ð v b/ elision [...] cannot apply to new words I'm saying I somewhat doubt that this is true, but obviously I can't be certain of that. Of course, you have a better chance of accurately describing your own accent than I do, but I think it's possible that you might not have perfect awareness of eve...
by Estav
Sun Mar 31, 2024 3:04 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Marginal distinctions
Replies: 15
Views: 585

Re: Marginal distinctions

I have observed that at least in the English here there are complications with regard to the traditional NAE vowel distinctions. For instance, many of the distinctions merged in the Mary - merry - marry merger have been resurrected in a marginal fashion through consonant elisions and resulting vowe...
by Estav
Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:13 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1382
Views: 443606

Re: English questions

It is normally taken as a given that /t/ before /n/ or /ən/~/ɪn/ in most NAE varieties is realized as [ʔ]. However, I just found a major exception - the present participle* of get , getting , which is commonly /ˈɡɛtən/, which I find is normally realize as [ˈɡ̥ɜɾɘ̃(ː)n] or [ɡ̥ɜnː] in the English I a...
by Estav
Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:51 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4666
Views: 2057379

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Reading over Hyman's universals paper, he says that he "can see no principled way to rule out" theoretical phoneme inventories like #1 #2 pʰ tʰ kʰ p t k p t k f s x Because Rotokas has /p t k b d g/ (or /p t k β ɾ g/, same thing). But that got me thinking, is it true that all languages ha...
by Estav
Fri Feb 09, 2024 4:03 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4666
Views: 2057379

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

It's not just acc-. Here are some words in French with /ks/ or /gʒ/. (Sorry, the wordlist I grabbed had no accents.) acceder accelerer accent accepter acces accident occident succeder succes succinct vaccin suggerer These are likely all reborrowings, but that doesn't really explain anything... why ...
by Estav
Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:03 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
Replies: 120
Views: 333649

Re: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)

[*] Missouri is commonly [mɪzˈuːrɪ], but sometimes [mɪsˈuːrɪ]; the vowel may also be [ʊ] instead of [uː] — i think the only time i've heard it with [uː] is in depeche mode's cover of "route 66", where it sticks out like a sore thumb Interesting, I'd never thought about the pronunciation b...
by Estav
Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:56 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: On syllabification
Replies: 25
Views: 81709

Re: On syllabification

Why can’t we just say “English disprefers lax vowels in final open syllables”? It seems to me that if it’s word-internal and open that it doesn’t really care. You can say that. It's just not obvious that it is correct to analyze words like sitting as starting with an open syllable. The problem isn'...
by Estav
Sun Oct 08, 2023 7:27 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Language change in real time
Replies: 34
Views: 8829

Re: Language change in real time

I think the merger of CURE into FUR /ə˞~ɜ˞/ might not have been complete for my parents or grandparents, but it is for me. "CURE" is a bad lexical set to me because it treats /ʊr/ and /jʊr/ as the same when in fact they behave differently for me, and to my knowledge, for many North Americ...
by Estav
Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:24 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Language change in real time
Replies: 34
Views: 8829

Re: Language change in real time

The /il/ > /Il/ change (e.g. "I fill bad about pilling the skin off electric ills") has gone from redneck coding to almost completely universal in North American English. I can't remember the last American I've met who doesn't do this, and so far not one of them has been aware that they d...
by Estav
Sat Sep 16, 2023 8:43 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 1782
Views: 4934789

Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread

miracle /'mirəkəl/ ['miˑɚ̯ɹ ʋ ɘkɫ̩] illustrate /'ɪləstret/ ['ɪˑɫɘstɹ̥ ʋ ei̯t] irritate /'irətet/ ['iˑɚ̯ɹ ʋ ɘtʰei̯t] South Africa /'sau̯'θæfrəkʌ/ [saʊ̯'θafɹ ʋ ɘkə~saʊ'θafɹ ʋ ɘkʌ] (not homophonous with *"Sow Thafrica" because I pronounce South Africa as one word, with pre-voiceless clipping-...
by Estav
Thu Aug 31, 2023 11:28 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1382
Views: 443606

Re: English questions

Does the phrase "to know how to do something" imply that you can actually do it, or could it also mean theoretical knowledge? In other words, would the statement "I know how to do a Fosbury flop, but I can't actually do it" make sense? It's an edge case, but I wouldn't find it i...
by Estav
Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:44 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1382
Views: 443606

Re: English questions

The OED only quotes Potter and White for "tiggy" (assuming I'm not missing anything on the awful new site). British English has many dialects; I'd imagine that White had plenty of material to draw from without needing to invent things out of whole cloth. That's not to say that I recognize ...
by Estav
Thu Aug 17, 2023 2:29 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: What do you call ...
Replies: 413
Views: 1017923

Re: What do you call ...

[A test would be to ask native speakers of English to speak the word hang backwards. I guess that few if any would respond, [hæŋ]. I may have to try this on some unsuspecting victims. The curious bit is that if the usual phonotactics is correct (and I think it is!) then the word can't be said backw...
by Estav
Mon Aug 14, 2023 5:17 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: On syllabification
Replies: 25
Views: 81709

Re: On syllabification

What we think of as syllables when we actually pronounce a word must be something different to phonological syllables, then. If introspection led to unanimous agreement on where syllable divisions go in English words, then we could use it as a criterion without much difficulty. But there doesn't se...
by Estav
Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:29 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: On syllabification
Replies: 25
Views: 81709

Re: On syllabification

As Zompist said, there is no consensus among linguists about whether sitting is /sɪ.tɪŋ/, /sɪt.ɪŋ/, /sɪt.tɪŋ/, or (a fourth option) syllables simply don't exist. (Actually, some would argue that /ŋ/ is not a phoneme of English and that this word ends in /nɡ/, but that's a different topic.) Italian a...
by Estav
Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:50 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
Replies: 120
Views: 333649

Re: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)

[*] column is frequently pronounced [ˈkɑljəm] in "illiterate speech" I've never heard of that, but I've seen kind of a reverse phenomenon of people using spellings like "vacumn" and "volumn". [*] almond is normally [ˈɑːmnd] but in popular speech is "not infrequent...